Grain drying

Animal

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This is for all you wealthy farmers out there that just had to dry that corn this year, its all your fault that propane here today is four dollars a gallon!!! I hope you realize this is meant to be tongue in cheek, but that crap is what the media is touting here. Nothing about corperate greed, its just all the consumers fault.
 
......and this too shall pass - the sky is not falling yet, no matter what the media or internet forums are spewing forth.
 
I hope this isnt like 1974 when all of a sudden we had short supplies of gas-sugar-JD tractors-etc when actually there was no shortage at all...
 
COMPLAIN COMPLAIN, have you forgotten wear you live. In this country today, if they haven't already done then they will try it. When was the last time you saw anything reduced that did you any good, it only gets worse for the benefit of the big guys You think corn falling back is bad wait and see what happens 5 years from now.If they ever do away with ETHANOL the state of IOWA will be the next dust bowl. They already are taking it out of 93-94 octane here in the east. Trailer load came in TUESDAY , ETHANOL FREE ,0.13 cents up from the last load of 10 percent Ethanol
 
I am sorry but I need to throw something out here. I live like so many of you in a rural area and their are lots of folks driving into the city to earn minimum wage. If this only lasts a month or two, where are they supposed to come up with the money for four dollar propane. They live so close now that they can't buy prepay, and most have grown up with country values and refuse welfare. What I am afraid of if these prices continue to climb their will be a lot of homes burned to the ground because of electric space heaters overloading the wiring in these older houses and mobile homes. Not to mention the cobbled up wood burning stoves that will go into action. I feel like this is a serious situation and its using the American farmer as a scape goat!
 
When done drying corn I have the tank filled. It runs the house and shop all winter. Averaged about $1.75/gal. last fall.
BUT- last spring some excavation/changes around here destroyed the line to the shop. So we put a little tank next to the shop. It's going to need filling soon! Darn!
 
Whether you believe it or not, a year that requires a lot of grain drying is a contributing factor. I have yet to read somewhere that the "13 grain drying is the ONLY, or even most significant, factor in the recent price hike.
 
"and their are lots of folks driving into the city to earn minimum wage."

Well… there's a problem, right there. Those folks should probably move closer to their employment opportunities.
 
What do you think rent cost in the city compared to owning your own place in the country? Trust me most of these old places are not in Better Homes and Gardens....
 
City folk just don't understand the country.

Next year is going to be worse, if things don't change.

I hear we exported 20% this year, typical is 5%.

A pipeline that supplies 40% of my part of the country is going to reverse direction and pipe fluids up to the tar sands. It will not be supplying propane next year.

So we up here will be loading up rail cars and semis and bringing it up to us. Where are we going to get it, from your terminals.....

Next year is going to get fun.

We did't use much drying at all right by me.

Paul
 
Animal,I agree with you that the farmer is being blamed when its not his fault..LP is now $4-5.00 per gallon in my area and the price climbs daily..We are lucky to live in an area where corn doesnt have to be dried.

I do live in an area with lots of $9-12 per hour wages and people cant afford $30-40 per day to heat their homes..I have several friends that are in a bind now.. We have electric heat and our bill will be about $100 higher per month than normal..
 
I think the "City folk" (including propane distribution specialists) understand "country" very well.

The propane uproar is a result of the quest for the almighty dollar.

Media is fanning the flames of that fire as fast and furrious as they are able.

I say, to hell with 'em.

Hank Williams Jr. says "A Country Boy Can Survive"...... and we will if we have the desire.
 
A home that rents for $700 in town is $400 in the country..Our area has lost a tremendous amount of good paying jobs in the past 10-15 years and they were replaced by low wage ones..Our church advertised for a janitors job that paid $10 per hour..Over 50 people applied for it.
 
That $300 difference is probably more than accounted for by the cost of transportation to and from work. If you're spending most of your paycheck on your transportation to your job and barely getting by otherwise, you're not living within your means. Time for you to change some things in your life.
 
Did you sell corn at $6-8 in 2012? And beans at $14-17? You're interested in profit too, and when demand is high, supply low, you take more for your product.
 
Trouble is we aren"t the ones setting the price that we sell our product at. If you haven"t noticed it"s pretty dang hard to manipulate the supply in farming. I also suggest you try combining 8-53 bushel corn with most of it 8-20 and tell my just how much money you make off that 8 dollar corn. THAT was reality for a lot of us in 2012.
 
you just keep listening to hank I will stay in reality land because if the crap hits the fan there won't be a live rabbit, squirrel or anything else for that matter, if you have cows or pigs hungry people will kill you for them and when worse comes to worse it will be as they say Donner Pass baby!
 
Of course not, the market sets it. In 2012, we had an large surplus of propane and there is no way anyone could have charged $4.50/gal and sold any.

Erik I totally hear you on the drought of 12, that is the largest contributing factor that gave producers the high sale prices. And I am certainly not trying to say farmers in drought affected areas were out there making record profits! But many were, they had normal or record yields. Instead of selling at the record high market prices, the producers could have taken $5 for corn and still made a good profit. But does anyone do this? Of course not! From the bottom to the top, EVERYONE is out there trying to make as much money as possible. Believe me, many consumers had to make tough choices because of that $8 corn in 2012/13. Feed prices were high and so was grocery, and there were many hardships because of it.
 
Corn is back to $4 now, how much have the products on the grocery store shelf fallen? ;)

I agree with your point, a seller is going to sell for what hey can get. Corn, propane, tires, what have you.

With many thousand farmers, it works well. With 2-3 tire manufacturers, fertilizer makers, then it becomes much more of a price fixing deal tho.

Paul
 
I have to say, I believe that propane, along with LP, is not a federally regulated product/service, unlike natural gas. Just as gasoline, diesel and oil are still oddly still not regulated (and never will be), yet most electricity, water, and sewer services are regulated to a minimum rate increase per year. This is where a government can still play a positive role; other wise you see the price jumping that we have seen. Look to the deregulation of electricity in CA in the early 2000's; a complete, total mess, complete with market manipulation, and the whole ball of wax. And who suffers and pays? The end-use consumer. In reality, "free markets" are just a big game between the big firms and traders. When was the last time reality had anything to do with values? Look at house prices in the 2000-2008 period, and tell me that was reality! Yet many people made alot of money on that scam. And alot more common people lost their asses on it, too. Figures lie, and liars figure.



The best thing about America is that we are free; we are free to pay as much, or as little, as you can afford, for what you want.
 
Heh… I wasn"t specifically referring to food on US grocery store shelves, but food in general (especially grains exported for food to developing countries). And on the US grocery shelf, prices stay high as long as enough consumers are willing to pay. Dean Foods will "milk" its profit as long as demand supports it.

Price fixing in the propane market… maybe and maybe not. Several real alternatives exist for heating, unlike the tire industry.
 
I dryed 28000 bu with just fans this fall cost $1200.00 for elec. you folks need to look at how much more gas you are using this month as apposed to late month may bill was about 60% higher just to cold and to much wind
 
I think the major contributing factor is storage, and infrastructure. There is a surplus of propane right now. The problem is no one has a place to put it in the places where they need it. Trucking propane is very inefficient. Pipelines are very efficient.

Touchy subject for some, I'm sure, especially all those people who are currently protesting the keystone xl pipeline, and the bluegrass pipeline. That pipeline explosion in Canada just literally added more fuel to the fire and gave them ammunition to use against any other pipeline expansions. I can't wait to start hearing the "See, I told you so" comments from them. I don't mean hearing them on this website. I mean, in my local area. Protests over natural gas drilling and fracking are a daily occurrence.
 

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