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Re: Combine head model numbers.

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Paul

12-29-2013 11:49:41
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Now that we have 15, 20, 22, 30, 36, 38 inch rows and heads wider than 8 rows, I think it got too tough to make easy numbering systems......

The orange gleaner heads were model 438, that is a pretty simple 4 row 38 inch header.... And so on.

Paul




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IaGary

12-29-2013 12:06:24
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 Re: Combine head model numbers. in reply to Paul, 12-29-2013 11:49:41  
Other than changing colors what did Gleaner do when they made a model change?

Or did they make a few updates and never change model numbers?

Gary



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JMS/.MN

01-01-2014 10:36:44
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 Re: Combine head model numbers. in reply to IaGary, 12-29-2013 12:06:24  
Big differences between Orange and the Black Adjustable ones: Black heads you could adjust the individual row widths 2 inches wider or narrower, ie, an A430 could be set for 28, 30, 32 inch rows. Just slide the units on the toolbar, and reconnect units with different length drive couplers.

The 66H cross chains (about 6 feet long, considerably shorter than 4 miles) that drove the Orange row units were replaced by drive shafts that drove all the row units.

Sheet metal was punched to allow the 2 inch variance in row spacing. Sheet metal was hinged to flip up for easy access to adjust gathering chains.

Individual row unit components were identical, whereas Orange heads had several different snapping roll shafts, depending on location and function in the head.

Adjustment of the stripper plates was much easier on the Black heads. Oil-filled gearboxes were eliminated.

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dboll

12-29-2013 16:56:37
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 Re: Combine head model numbers. in reply to IaGary, 12-29-2013 12:06:24  
eliminated about 4 miles of roller chain!



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Bob Bancroft

12-29-2013 13:48:53
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 Re: Combine head model numbers. in reply to IaGary, 12-29-2013 12:06:24  
I'll see what I can dig out of my memory! The original, high profile heads, as well as the next generation low profile "orange heads", had the combine model letter, then the numerical header description. For example- A330, E240, etc. The low profile ones had an L in there as well- FL330. Then came the "black", or A(for adjustable) series heads. The drives were quite different, with the row units mounted on a tool bar so they could be moved. A "30" head could be set for 28, 30, or 32. A "38" head could be set for 36, 38, or 40. And finally, with different attaching packages, one head could go on different machines. Prior to the "black" corn heads, corn and grain heads were model specific, which put Gleaner at a disadvantage. I think grain heads continued to be model specific. I lost track after the mid 80's.

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Paul

12-30-2013 12:12:58
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 Re: Combine head model numbers. in reply to Bob Bancroft, 12-29-2013 13:48:53  
The orange corn heads could be adapted, my F corn heads and grain heads would also fit a G. (Older heads were not adaptable, the top hooks need to bolt on, have 2 spots to bolt the hooks on....)

However, Gleaner was very poor at getting any type of universal header mount, nearly every series was different.

If you went from a K to an F to a L as you grew your farm, you had to trade the whole combine and all heads for the new package.

With a JD, once they got their quick change throat worked out, you could keep your heads, just trade combines, and save some money. Trade the head a year or 3 later when you upgraded the planter.

I think that hurt Gleaner sales a lot. Who can afford to buy a new planter, new combine, and new heads to match all in the same year.

And your selection of heads is a lot smaller, because a different set for each model or maybe 2 models.

Poor planning there, one f the few things I don't like about Gleaner.

Paul

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j hikemper

01-01-2014 12:05:44
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 Re: Combine head model numbers. in reply to Paul, 12-30-2013 12:12:58  
don't know everything ,, imho gleaner could had really kept the edge should had made all heads readily and easily interchangeable with all models and yrs built ... all massey quik attach heads interchange with 300, 410,510, 540 , 750 ect ...



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