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Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel??

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Bob Bancroft

01-23-2013 04:07:37
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I'm sure as GreenEnvy says it was a cost calculation. AC quit using their own gas engine in 1968 and started using an automotive engine! And yet the engine they quit using (226) was stilled offered in a tractor through 1980. Then the smallest combine was dropped altogether in 1983.




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Skyhighballoon(MO)

01-23-2013 06:30:16
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Bob Bancroft, 01-23-2013 04:07:37  
The Allis 226 cu in 4 cylinder gas engine was last used in the 175 tractor. Gas 175 tractors stopped in March 1976 but diesel versions of the 175 continued to 1980.

I think Allis dropped the 226 gas in the Gleaner EIII (1968) for the 250 GM gas 6 cylinder in 1969 Gleaner K simply for more HP.
The early F had the 262 buda based AC gas engine till being swapped it for the 292 Chevy in 1970. G had the 301 AC gas until it was swapped in 1970 for the 350 Chevy V8. I'm sure both those Allis gas engines were expensive to produce in low volumes for combines when they were no longer being offer in tractors. Both were also based on diesel engines meaning they were somewhat over engineered for gas engines if the basic engine design had to stand up to diesel compression ratios. High volume Chevy engines I'm sure were less to buy as crate engine to install vs. building your own. My 2 cents. Mike
This post was edited by Skyhighballoon(MO) at 11:23:47 01/23/13.

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Bob Bancroft

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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Skyhighballoon(MO), 01-23-2013 06:30:16  
I'm always impressed with your detailed information. I just pulled out the year for the last 175, not knowing whether it was diesel or not. But you got a little dyslexic with the numbers on the AC vs GM six in the F! I would take the AC226 over the GM250 any day. I suppose part of their challenge was that they had the 226 set up at fairly slow governed speed, and that was changed when they went to the GM250.

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Skyhighballoon(MO)

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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Bob Bancroft, 01-23-2013 06:49:44  
I have an EIII myself with a 10" grain head and a 330 corn head that I haven't tried out yet. I use it every year on a 6 acre hilltop on wheat or beans that my farming partner can't get a JD9500 to that field. I'll have a 2nd hilltop field of 5 or 6 acres that I'm putting in production this year. I love my EIII. Even if the combine wears out some day I'll still have a spare engine for one of my two D17's or the WD45. Mike

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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Bob Bancroft, 01-23-2013 06:49:44  
I had an E3 that used the 226 Allis engine. Worked with a cousin that had a K with the 250 GM engine. The E3 would do as much work as the K until the ground got soft, then it was short on power. Where the K would burn 50 gallons of gas in a long day the E3 would only burn 30 shelling the same amount of corn. The E3 was one great nearly trouble free machine until it finally wore completely out. Joe

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