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Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel??

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GreenEnvy

01-22-2013 21:15:04
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Small combines like the 45 were on there way out sales wise by the late 60s and I would assume the extra cost of a diesel engine on a combine that small did not justify continuing the option. How many diesel 45s have you seen? I've only seen one. 90% of the 105s around here and almost all 95s still had gas engines.




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Wilamayb

01-23-2013 07:08:43
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to GreenEnvy, 01-22-2013 21:15:04  
I have never actually seen a 105 diesel but have to believe that they were more gutsy than the gas ones. At one time there were 3 105 squarebacks on the farm in various states of disrepair. All 3 were gas.



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DeltaRed

01-23-2013 08:15:09
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Wilamayb, 01-23-2013 07:08:43  
I have a 105 diesel(and a gas).Never really used either one.There used to quite a few 105s locally.All the'old timers' say the desel has more 'poop' than the gas burners.They also say the diesel will use 1/3 to 1/2 as fuel as the gas models do.



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Wilamayb

01-23-2013 15:25:22
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to DeltaRed, 01-23-2013 08:15:09  
Delta, I wish there wasnt so much distance between us... I'd love to take that diesel off your hands just to play. The 45 that my dad just purchased will be plenty of capacity for him but the 105 would be quite the conversation piece in my neck of the woods. However, the trucking to get it from your place to mine would be totally unreasonable. I estimate that we are about 1500 miles apart. At $3.00/mile thats only $4,500 :)

Remind me..Is your diesel a roundback?

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DeltaRed

01-23-2013 15:47:19
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Wilamayb, 01-23-2013 15:25:22  
Both 105s are squarebacks.Yesterday and today I drove both of them(20 miles)to the local annual consignment acction.The auction will be hald Feb 2,3.They need to be gone....



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cooney minnie

01-23-2013 13:51:51
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to DeltaRed, 01-23-2013 08:15:09  
the 105s gas and diesel both used the same engine as a gas and diesel 4020. Fuel consumption would be similar to the tractors at load.

Our 105 diesel never has any power issues, and will handle 250 bushel irrigated corn with the 6 row head... no b.s! The issue is you can walk it over the back, slip the cylinder belt or run out of clean grain elevator capacity long before power. Ours is gear drive.

The biggest issue is the cylinder belt. the variable speed cylinder was only offered the last 2 years or so, and I don't think really perfected. I'm not sure, but I think it's the same drive that the 55 and 95 used, just with a bigger cylinder and engine on each side of the belt!

As for fuel consumption, it will run all day on a tank.

I must admit I feel a little empty writing this. We did buy a 9500 to replace her this fall, and she's still here (in the shed!). We bought her in 1989 and used it til this fall. Trying to do 250 acres with it though is getting to be too much, and some parts are darned hard to find.

She's a good friend though.

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Fixerupper

01-23-2013 19:15:29
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to cooney minnie, 01-23-2013 13:51:51  
Cooney, I had to give a big sigh when I read your post. My 105 was a gasser but I ran her for 19 years and I felt the same way as you when I finally parked her in the shed for good. Jim



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OLarry from MD

01-23-2013 15:31:05
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to cooney minnie, 01-23-2013 13:51:51  
I had one of each and the gas was a hercules engine with a reduction gear on the end.The diesel had the deere engine and no reduction.



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tomstractorsandtoys1

01-23-2013 15:05:15
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to cooney minnie, 01-23-2013 13:51:51  
Are you interested in selling it? Where are you located?We have a 4 row on our 95 gas and in 200 bu corn it is almost more than the machne can handle.It works ok if you travel in low gear as slow as the machine will go.After silage we do about 70 acers a year.



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cooney minnie

01-24-2013 05:17:41
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to tomstractorsandtoys1, 01-23-2013 15:05:15  
We are in SE WI.



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Wilamayb

01-23-2013 14:08:25
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to cooney minnie, 01-23-2013 13:51:51  
According to the Nebraska tests there was a little over 2 gal/hr difference in fuel economy. It's a little over 25%



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Wilamayb

01-23-2013 09:13:00
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to DeltaRed, 01-23-2013 08:15:09  
Ours could burn 50-60 gallons a day in corn. The late 105 had more separator capacity than the engine could supply power to utilize. I bet if our last 105 had been a diesel I bet it would still be hanging around the place.

Too bad you are so far away.... I would like to have the 105 diesel for a play toy/converstation piece...



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cooney minnie

01-23-2013 05:03:49
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to GreenEnvy, 01-22-2013 21:15:04  
Even certain combines of next series were gas only for a while. I think the the 3300 had a diesel option its whole production run, but the 4400 was available as gas only, with the 292 chevy, for the first few years. Only the later ones had the 329 diesel option.



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Wilamayb

01-23-2013 09:19:42
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to cooney minnie, 01-23-2013 05:03:49  
It would be interesting to see the price pages for difference in cost of gas vs. diesel for the various models of combines.

I wonder what a new 45 or 105 cost in 1969?



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tomstractorsandtoys1

01-23-2013 12:44:02
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to Wilamayb, 01-23-2013 09:19:42  
If my outside chores go good tonite(barn cleaner,milkers and silo unloaders) I will dig out some of my late 60's price books and list some dealer prices.I think te reason tat a late 45 was only a gas is that the diesel would of aded alot to the price of a machine that was not selling good anyway.There would have ben little difference betwen the 45 diesel and the 55.



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Wilamayb

01-23-2013 15:17:34
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 Re: Why was the late 45 combine not offered with a diesel?? in reply to tomstractorsandtoys1, 01-23-2013 12:44:02  
You're a good man Charlie Brown... There just isnt enough of those price pages to go around to everyone that wants one.



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