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Seven-Sixty

01-03-2002 17:07:58




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Ooh! That is wild! If this is true, it's a new one on me, and I'm an ag historian! I want to know more myself, but this could also be just another urban-or should I say, rural legend.




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jake

01-03-2002 17:22:31




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 Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to Seven-Sixty, 01-03-2002 17:07:58  
Being that you are an ag historian maybe you could tell me a little about a corporation by the name of Tennaco(sp). I have heard that they maybe owned j.i. case in the early seventies when case combine production was stopped. Thanks jake



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Seven-Sixty

01-03-2002 20:52:41




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 Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to jake, 01-03-2002 17:22:31  
I did make that post brief. I forgot to mention [I was just a little blown away!] that if there is any truth to that, at least the dates coincide. Case stopped making combines in 1970. The John Deere New Generation [100 Series] also came out that year. I think to answer your question about Tenneco, they bought Case in 1968, I think, or at least part of the company. I can't remember the exact dates, but I do know Tenneco's purchase was not all at once. There was another year involved that Tenneco completed the full purchase. The Case Model 1660 was their last combine. The 1665 was the same size, just primarily a corn version. I also want to see what a 1600 Series looks like, because I've seen the 1200, 1100 and 1000 Series.

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comfortking

01-04-2002 10:21:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to Seven-Sixty, 01-03-2002 20:52:41  
I also recalled being told by our local Case dealer in 1969 that Case was quitting the combines because John Deere had come out with the corn head that Case had been working on for three years(the 40 series corn heads) This makes sense, JI Case could not tell it's customers that they had sold the combine end of the business and still expect to keep their customers. There is no doubt that Case knew the thrasher end of the combine better than anyone. I never seen any John Deere thrashers.Cases' last corn heads were numbered 402 303 404 ect they had spring loaded gathering chains which came out on the Deere heads.The gear box was a mess on the last Case heads with all of the chains and sprockets. Look at the design of the tin on the last Case heads. Low tin. Case made a 345 corn head for the 600,660,960 that was high tin and had been disontinued in 1965, that head looked a lot like the heads of the other brands. In 1976 I was doing alot of custom harvesting useing 660's and 960's.I looked at a 1665 at a John Deere dealer that had a 643 JD head and quick attach feeder house. But I can not remember if the engine was located next to cab or was behind the grain tank. In my mind the engine compartment was beside the cab just like the 6600 Deere. Case always had the wide cylinder and throat .Deere went from the big circle to the long cylinder at this time. Also this gentleman told me that Deere bought the design for the JD 40 from some other company, I do not rember who he said it was, he told me the 9500 was the first combine that Deere designed on their own. I will try to get more facts. The fact that Tenneco owned JI Case and they were only interested in the short term, they would certainly look at the combine line to liquidate. We need pictures of the Case 1665. Thanks

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Snugles

01-22-2005 11:21:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to comfortking, 01-04-2002 10:21:35  
We have a a J.I. Case thrasher. It has been sitting out in the weather since it was parked, who knows how many years ago. I know nothing about such things. So I am sorry if I fale to describ it correctly.

It is about 26 feet long, alomost 8 feet wide, and about 10 feet tall. I was ran by a belt that was connected to a tractor. It has mettle wheels.

I have photos of it if any one can help, that I can seend. I do not know the date of it.

Thanks

Tom Puckett
Ely, Nevada

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cb

01-07-2002 07:17:59




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to comfortking, 01-04-2002 10:21:35  
I remember the larger JI Case combines on display
at the Ill. State fair and I do not remember. Any engine in the front.

They do have a little walk way from the cab to the back to the engine. It was way cool when you were 6 years old...



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WK

01-10-2002 20:45:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to cb , 01-07-2002 07:17:59  
My Dad Owned a 1660 that he bought new from a case dealer. The engine was a gas and was mounted on the rear. There was an access window on the right side of the cab that you could open up right beside the grain tank and if you stuck your hand out to shovel the grain back to make one more round, that flighting would get ya. This caused quite a few stitches in my family. There was a service platform that run from directly behind the cab to the back of the machine. If it is true that JD bought out the case machines I will laugh my rear off as we later traded this monster for a 7700. I have a picture of this machine somewhere and I will try to find it and post it.

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Dave W

01-06-2002 18:30:26




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to comfortking, 01-04-2002 10:21:35  
I have pictures of a 1660 and a 1665 in a case history book that the case corporation published in 1992,unfortunatly I dont know how to post them. From what I can tell they look like an oversized 600 or 660. The corn head on the 1665 is a six row head that does not look anything like a 303 or a 404,it also looks like the moter is still in the back.



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Green Envy

01-05-2002 10:21:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to comfortking, 01-04-2002 10:21:35  
I think the 55 was JD's first self-propelled combine they designed on their on back in the 40's. They used their pull type No. 9 combine to start with.



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cb

01-04-2002 18:37:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to comfortking, 01-04-2002 10:21:35  
(Be kind my facts could be foggy I was young. It has been a long day and my brain is soggy.)

I was in second grade when Tennaco got rid of all of the Case dealers. My late father and Granddad sold JI case equipment for 40 years before being pushed out. At this time Case quit making and selling combines, and farm equipment.

My dad always said the Combine line was sold off and the manufacture was moved to South America? I do not know if this was true or I understood something wrongly.

I do know that JD quick attach heads will fit on late model JI Case combines. (there is post on this subject) The cylinders are the same size the JD throat must be used on the case. A Case 600-900 is 40 inches same as JD 55...

The late model Case combines had really bad problems with the 3 and 4 row corn heads. Was it Deere that beat them to the punch? Had a better corn head and mistakes of the Case cornhead just did them in the combine line in? Or did the replacement Case cornhead get sold to Deere? I do not know?

If you look at Case 600 combine operator manual from say 1963 there will be 1 page about the cornhead. I think Case may have missed the big shift from ear corn to shelled corn by the late 60's? By 70s the Tenneco management just pulled the plug. They just kept what they thought was profitable for the short term. I think this was short sighted. But as farms got bigger there were fewer farmers and few equipment makers.

Case had many good ideas. Their backhoe was and is still very good, The Case-0-matic was engineering feat but a marketing failure. I do love the little 124 VAC engines that just grew in the 201 on the Case 600 combine and 630 tractor. The 400-500 diesel engine that grew to the 730-930 is something I love.

But were also slow to move. They really fought the 3-point hitch. Yes they had an eagle hitch in the VAC by the late 40's. But Ford was killing everyone on price and with the three point at this time.

Notice the advertisements even into the late 50's " Case engine not to confused with engine's with cheaper Auto parts...." That is reference to Ford.

Upper management still thought there was no reason to go with the 3 point on the big tractors. When did they put the 3-point on a 930?

This sounds like a subject that needs to be studied at the Combine hall of fame that some rich fellow will build and lots students will do work history of the combine. And where the old combines will be saved from the wrecking ball.

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comfortking

01-05-2002 07:42:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to cb , 01-04-2002 18:37:51  
I had forgotten the the Case combine going to South America until you brought it up. We had a company Case store here in the early 70's. The manager and I were good friends, he told me the rumors in the company idicated that the combines would not be manufactured in South America. The combines sent to South America were machines that Case had already built,(a new model). Later it was said that another company would make parts for Case combines, maybe that was John Deere.I know that John Deere was putting a lot of money in big used Case combines, maybe these looked too much like the 6600 and 7700.The resale price on the small 660 960 dropped sharply during this time.I think Sotuh America was a dumping ground for these combines, if they were going to make them over there, could they not get parts for the ones already made here? Also they would not need to send cornheads to a soybean country. WOW!! We need more information. I have not aired this on the John Deere site, I don't want to spoil their New Year.

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Seven-Sixty

01-05-2002 13:56:54




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to comfortking, 01-05-2002 07:42:20  
Since you are or were a custom harvester who had used Case combines, go to the Deere page at harvesting.com and make contact with Combine Wizard by e-mail. He is also an ag historian and may have some insight to the Case/Deere connection. He likes to write off the forums, though, because there's too many rabble-rousers on those pages. That is if you don't mind perso
nal correspondence. Combine Wizard openly invites such personal e-mails and really will talk combines with anyone with an ear to listen.

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wheat straw

01-12-2002 11:57:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Green Case Combines in reply to Seven-Sixty, 01-05-2002 13:56:54  
Hey guys,

The 1660, 1665 corn was tyhe last case. There is a picture on page 128 of Stonehouse and Brumbaugh. The cab is to the side of the bin and the engine in the back behind the bin. I remember looking at one in Kansas in 75 or 76. It had a chrysler v8. 52 inch cylinder and about a hundred bushel bin. Brumbaugh said it didn't perform to expectations. Don't know whether that was sales or threshing ability. Either way they weren't selling. I hated to see case go. Oh what might have been with enough sales and money.

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