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Case 446 hydraulics

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Mike McPhillips

06-27-2007 08:01:09




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I have a case 446, (purchased new in 1983). Over the last several years, I have had hydraulic problems. I am on my 3rd pump in 4 years.

Recently, something got jammed in the rototiller. The hydraulic hose blew off the resivoir, and all the fluid came out. I replaced the flexible hose, tightened it, and replaced the hydraulic fluid with hydraulic fluid. The tractor sputtered for less than a second when I turned it on, and it hasn't moved since.

I have since heard that the Case 446 dosen't use hydraulic fluid for the hydraulic system, but instead uses motor oil. If that is true, (is it?) have I damaged the hydraulic pump by putting hydraulic fluid in it? Should I drain it and put motor oil in it? If I have to replace the hydraulic pump, do I use hydraulic fluid or motor oil?

Also I have just heard that I may have to bleed the air out of the line, and that the tractor will run if I do that. It makes sense to me. Is that true? If so, where do I bleed the line from?

Also, can someone tell me where the hydraulic pump is located on the tractor?

Thanks.

Mike McPhillips

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ken combs

06-28-2007 04:37:23




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Mike McPhillips, 06-27-2007 08:01:09  
I've read this several times and just noticed that you say the hydraulic line blew off the reservoir.

There should be almost no pressure on that line.

Do you have the case PTO valve on the back of the tractor? Or, do you possibly have a direct hose connection pump to tiller?

Oh, and yes do change the oil. Case recommends 30w or 20w40 but a 15w40 or 15w50 works fine.



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Boyd in Mn

06-27-2007 23:31:13




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Mike McPhillips, 06-27-2007 08:01:09  
Shell Rotella T is the preferred oil. I don't remember the weight. Go to yahoo groups and search for casegardentractors group. Lots of people on there. The subject comes up all the time and should be easy to find in the archives. These tractors definitely don't use hydraulic oil.



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Eddie in MI

07-06-2007 06:46:50




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Boyd in Mn, 06-27-2007 23:31:13  
Yes... this is true. Do not use hydraulic oil, but rather Shell Rotella T 15w40.



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Mike McPhillips

06-28-2007 03:20:23




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Boyd in Mn, 06-27-2007 23:31:13  
Thanks for the info. I will check it out.



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El Toro

06-28-2007 06:20:36




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Mike McPhillips, 06-28-2007 03:20:23  
That plow came off a Viking garden tractor made in 1936 that was built in MN. Hal



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El Toro

06-28-2007 06:16:58




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Mike McPhillips, 06-28-2007 03:20:23  
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I have a 1971 Wards garden tractor with hydrostatic drive and hydraulic lift that I bought new and they recommend Dexron automatic fluid. Using engine oil in your area would get very thick during the winter. I use my tractor for pushing snow and for plowing the garden. It has hauled many loads of firewood over the years too. Hal

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Ebbsspeed

06-27-2007 08:31:32




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Mike McPhillips, 06-27-2007 08:01:09  
Recommended fluid is straight 30 weight motor oil, although some do use a multi-grade motor oil in them. The hydraulic pump is behind the motor, basically right under the battery. If you follow the large hose coming out of the bottom of the hydraulic reservoir around the right side and on to the back of the engine, you will see it connects to the pump there. As far as bleeding, I've never had to do that when I changed fluid, just keep the lid off the reservoir, let the tractor idle, and cycle the speed and lift controls a couple of times. If you've ruined 3 pumps in 4 years you are either using the heck out of this thing, abusing the heck out of it, or have major contaminants in the hydraulic system. There is a coupling between the engine and pump called a lovejoy coupling, which consists of a pair of round disks with a set of drive dogs on each, with a rubber flex coupling betwen the two. If this thing is broken your pump will not turn. If you're ready to give up on this machine, I might be interested in taking it off your hands.

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Mike McPhillips

06-27-2007 08:44:54




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Ebbsspeed, 06-27-2007 08:31:32  
Thanks for your response. I like the tractor and definetly am not giving up on it.

I have a lot of equipment around the house, including a 1940 ford tractor. I don't abuse it.

The first mechanic that changed the pump thought someone had put gravel in resivoir. The pump he put in gave out when i hooked the rototiller up the following spirng. No rototilling. Just hooked it up and the pump blew. He charged me a lot to replace that pump - I thought he overcharged me. So I took it to a different mechanic, and he charged me less than 1/2 of what the first guy did.

That pump has been in about 3 years. As I explained, this time, the flexible hose blew off, and I replaced the fluid with actual hydraulic fluid. As far as I know, the pump was working when I replaced the fluid. The tractor actually engaged forward for a brief second (actually less than a second). So I wonder now if the hydraulic fluid ruined the pump, or if the hydraulic fluid, which is less viscous than the oil, is simply not viscus enough to drive the tractor. Does that make sense, or am I off base.

I will be doing the work myself, this time, which is why i have all the questions.

MM

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ebbsspeed

06-27-2007 11:12:21




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 Re: Case 446 hydraulics in reply to Mike McPhillips, 06-27-2007 08:44:54  
I can't imagine that the hydraulic fluid ruined the pump in that short of a time. The shock of the tiller jamming may have forced the pressure relief valve open, and it might now be stuck open. Sounds like there was quite a spike in the pressure if it blew a hose off, so that's a possibility. If you run the engine and look into the reservoir, you should be able to see some slight movement of the fluid if it is being cirdulated by the pump. Does your hydraulic lift work? Also, check the simple stuff. The transmission high/low range lever isn't in the neutral position, is it?

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