Hy-Tran in Sunstar/Ultima

NGus347

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Hi, just wondering if anyone has ever run Case IH Hy-Tran in a Simplicity Sunstar/Deutz Ultima. I am inheriting an Ultima that has been sitting for a while and will most likely need a fluid change. I know the manual calls for Type F trans fluid and that older Cubs used Hy-Tran.

Anyone have any experience with Hy-Tran in anything that's not red?
 
I would go with one of the three Lucas trans fluids.Iam not sure if Hy-Tran is the same as Type F. I think Type F trans fluid was what the older Fords used.
 
Older Fords did spec the green dyed Type F ATF in the power steering and the automatic transmissions.

Lucas sells a Universal Hydraulic fluid that is a substitute for IH Hy-Tran oil. Of course, CASE bought out the failed International Harvester company back in 1983 and they graciously renamed it CASE/IH. I think that is is important to keep the following in mind. A garden tractor hydrostatic trans-axle is a simple device that just needs a quality oil that will maintain a certain viscosity. Unlike the primary use for HyTran or Hy-Trans oil, there is no power shifting taking place where in clutch chattering or burning could take place. This is all about pumping fluid from point A to point B in order to transmit engine power to the rear wheels.
Lucas
 
Lucas does make a automatic transmission fluid that would work in place of the type F trans fluid as his manual stated.I have a 18 year old hydrostatic drive GT with a Hydro-Gear model 222-3010L transmission and it runs 20-50 syn oil in the transmission. When I changed the transmission rearend of IH 450 I used two gallon of Lucas hydraulic boost and topped it with Hy-Trans oil. After a few hours of use noticed that TA was shifting smoother and faster.
 
Your post is somewhat confusing. The Hydro-Gear 222-3010L normally runs 10W40 motor oil but using 15W50 or even 20W50 SYNTHETIC is endorsed by the factory. But you say that you installed two gallons of Lucas Hydraulic Boost and then topped it with Hy-Trans. Lucas recommends a 20 percent maximum of the Hydraulic Boost because Lucas never intended for it to be used as a hydraulic fluid. It is, as the label states, an ADDITIVE to help stop leaks and to bolster the viscosity of the hydraulic oil.

The other confusing statement is the claim that the trans-axle was shifting smoother and faster.

Since this axle is a single speed unit driven by a hydrostatic pump/motor, there is no "shifting" involved. Most certainly, changing out the old oil will often produce improved operation but.....that improvement might have been made just by installing the Hy-Trans oil.
 
And unlike GM and Chrysler IH never failed. No bankruptcy or foreclosure took place. But they had gone from one of the world's largest corporate entities (3rd?) to an also ran in a little more than 7 years.
 
If you check the link below, you will find the following statement.

International Harvester, following long negotiations, agreed to sell selected assets of its agricultural products division to Tenneco, Inc. on November 26, 1984. Tenneco had a subsidiary, J.I. Case, that manufactured tractors, but lacked the full line of farm implements that IH produced (combines, cotton pickers, tillage equipment etc.)

Sorry Tom..... I just had to. LOL
International Harvester WIKI
 
The only reason that I/H did not formerly declare bankruptcy was because Tenneco, the parent company of J. I. CASE purchased selected divisions of IH. The truck division spun off as Navistar. But that does not change the fact that I/H was drowning in red ink at the time of the buyout. They had already sold the Cub Cadet division to MTD just to get a bit of cash flow to keep the company going but that was just a band-aid.... not a financial solution to their woes.
 
I was told by the factory to run sh/cd 20w50 syn oil in the 222-3010L Hydro-Gear trans. They sent me a blow up of the transmission with part numbers and what oil to use.
I got a little off subject with the Lucas Hydraulic boost. The two gallons of lucas boost was used in my Farmall 450 tractor transmission & rearend which holds 15 gallons of oil. The smoother shifting was the TA of the 450.
 
The truck division was not "spun off". The heavy truck division was the remaining profitable division and was kept. Since the "International Harvester" name was sold with the ag division the company was renamed "Navistar".

The light duty truck division was shut down - no buyer was interested.

Cub Cadet was sold to MTD.

The agriculture division was sold to Tenneco.

The construction line (Payline) was sold to Dresser.

Whirlpool purchased the houseware production facilities but I don't think they bought the actual product lines.

Basically IH went through corporate downsizing on scale not seen before. But they did not go broke and they did not take a government handout nor have I ever heard did they asked for one either.


Biggest issue IH had was when the ag division went on strike in 1979 they could have sat back and waited the union out - but the "management" of the company was worried that they would miss out on the recovery that they knew was coming in 1981. They settled the strike and basically caved to all the union's wishes while gaining nothing in return. Then went into full bore production filling dealers lots with new equipment and the plants working overtime - only the "recovery" never happened. They ran up a huge inventory on borrowed money at extremely high interest rates. Had they simply left most of the plants sit idle and sold off the existing inventory through 1981 they would have been in the best financial position of all the ag equipment companies. Much like many farmers that went fence row to fence row and bought land in the late 70s and early 80s found themselves cash poor with massive interest rates that had to serviced with falling commodity prices.
 
If anyone wants the definitive story on the downfall of IH, check out the book called "A Corporate Tragedy" by Barbara Marsh. It is hands down the best account of what happened to IH.
 
The real tragedy is that Tenneco agreed to absorb all the fat cats who put I/H into near insolvency and then allowed the I/H brand to become CASE/IH. Over the years, CASE bought up many companies such as Davis, Drott and David Browne. All of those names became ancient history after a few years. Today, the history of J.I. CASE is so intertwined with International Harvester, it is hard to tell which one is which. Those who are die-hard CASE enthusiasts are -------off that this was allowed to happen but it is very similar to that ancient proverb about the Arab and the camel trying to sleep in the desert. Tenneco allowed the I/H influence into their boardroom and now the strong identity that J. I. Case once enjoyed has been significantly diminished.
 
You guys did know that J.I.Case was on the verge of bankruptcy in 1967 and in 1970 Tenneco took over full possession (merger) of J.I. Case. At one time before Tenneco took over IH Tenneco talked about dumping Case but didn't.
 

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