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Re: best cub to buy & why

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Butch(OH)

11-12-2013 05:35:16
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We are fairly recent Ingersol owners but those prices appear to be on the high side at a glance, of course depending on options and what comes with. We purchased a pretty nice low houred 4018 for $500 at auction, no options and just a 48" deck. If you check Tractorhouse web site under both Ingersol and Case you will usually find quite a few for sale. In my opinion you short yourself if you give up on other lines. Case/ Ingersol is not the only choice in quality garden tractors, a good choice, but far from the only one.
Anyway good luck with the search.
This post was edited by Butch(OH) at 05:53:35 11/12/13.

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Tom Arnold

11-12-2013 06:07:02
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Butch(OH), 11-12-2013 05:35:16  
Butch, As I stated previously, prices for these tractors vary widely across the continent. You are fortunate to live in a state where the prices are quite low. Those prices do not apply to Rhode Island or Maine.

The price for anything is set by how much a buyer will pay the seller on any given day. Seller's can ask whatever they want but in the end, they have to settle for what the buyer is willing to part with.

i don't think that the 446 is all that overpriced once you subtract out the commonly paid prices for all the options it has. The second important issue is whether or not the stated "hours" are correct. I would much rather pay another $500.00 for a low hour Onan powered tractor any day since the cost of doing a thorough rebuild is at least $1500.00.

A well-cared for Onan should last at least 2000 hours and if one pulls the engine at that point, it is possible to polish the crank throws, cross-hatch the bores, install new rings and lap the valves in to give new life to the engine. I call that preventative maintenance. Better that than waiting for something serious to go wrong.

Really good tractors that are close by are often the better bargain because you can easily spend $600.00 to have one shipped from the mid-west to the east coast. Even if you go and pick it up yourself, you still have to buy gas and pay for the wear and tear on your vehicle.

A $500.00 tractor in Ohio that costs $600.00 so ship is still an unknown quantity compared to a $1200.00 tractor that is local and can be inspected in person and tested.

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Butch(OH)

11-12-2013 06:52:10
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Tom Arnold, 11-12-2013 06:07:02  
Tom, I admit to not reading this thread in its entirety. I replied to his asking about models 222 and 3014. 446 apparently mentioned elsewhere is another animal. Sorry for the confusion. Our 4018 was a bargain (or so far appears to be) and possibly an outlier but factoring in bare tractor vs highly optioned is ??? as you said. For my purpose the 3 point carries exactly 0 value, others a lot.

Agreed that he should not even consider driving a long ways to purchase a common item like this, prices and location wer eprovided for educational purposes.

My best deals have always been units purchased from original owners who obviously took care of them, not fixer uppers, not dealer trade ins. Our 1650 CC came from an elderly original owner that recorded every oil change, every filter, every part purchased was written inside the front cover on the owners manual along with the date, time and cost of the annual trip to the dealer for inspection.It was covered up with a blanket in the garage. Rare? Yes but the deals are around it isnt the first time.

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Tom Arnold

11-12-2013 08:17:24
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Butch(OH), 11-12-2013 06:52:10  
I agree with you entirely. Value is in the eye of the buyer. What good is a 3 point hitch if you will never make use of it? One of the nice things about the Case tractors is that hitches were optional and more often than not, will transfer to another model of another year.

Interchangeability of attachments is higher than any other brand of GT.

Hey..... we all wish we could find one-owner tractors like that Cub. I'm still waiting to find one. LOL

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cowboy357

11-15-2013 04:53:01
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Tom Arnold, 11-12-2013 08:17:24  
Well the search goes on. I looked at a 3012,small rear tires mower deck had been patched about 1200 hours on it asking $1000 dead battery so I couldn't hear it run. Dealer said come back tomorrow we'll charge the battery. I wasn't impressed!

I found a 444 very little info at this point other than not running no spark, not running $1000 firm. I did contact him and should have photos serial number and hours soon. So my question is how complicated is the electrical system in this machine? Do they have electronic ignition or do they have points & condensers? I believe if the engine were standing alone the lack of spark could be caused be only a few things, bad coil/coil wire, bad spark plug,bad electronic module or points & condenser. is there anything in the machine that could cause the lack of spark and did I miss anything.
Also what do you think of this machine and the deal on it? I'll send photos & info when I get it.

Thanks

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Maineman

11-15-2013 18:00:46
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-15-2013 04:53:01  
Craig's list had a 446 in Dracut and a 442 in Biddeford I think both were $1200 with attachments.
I think I'd prefer the 442 with a single cylinder Kohler over the twin Onan. But, the 446 had a tiller.

Joe



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cowboy357

11-15-2013 19:33:26
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Maineman, 11-15-2013 18:00:46  
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Found the one in Biddiford, couldn't find the one in Dracut, could you post the link?

Thanks



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Maineman

11-16-2013 04:58:28
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-15-2013 19:33:26  
[quote="cowboy357"](quoted from post at 20:33:26 11/15/13)
Maineman said: (quoted from post at 19:00:46 11/15/13)
Craig's list had a 446 in Dracut and a 442 in Biddeford I think both were $1200 with attachments.
I think I'd prefer the 442 with a single cylinder Kohler over the twin Onan. But, the 446 had a tiller.

Joe


Found the one in Biddiford, couldn't find the one in Dracut, could you post the link?

Thanks[/

Its listed in the New Hampshire Craigslist.
Have 1986 tractor with augar. Runs good mower deck needs work . This thing is powerful. Could use new seat Email me. Mark

Location: dracut

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If that dosn't work, search for "Case 446 tractor" under farm and garden.

Sorry, I'm not good at posting links!

Joe
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OTP

01-22-2014 05:41:40
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Maineman, 11-16-2013 04:58:28  
Was there a sickle bar made to fit the 442?

Thanks



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Tom Arnold

11-16-2013 05:33:38
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Maineman, 11-16-2013 04:58:28  
At $1200.00 asking, this one could be the bargain you have been waiting for.

The rear PTO kits bring $200 on e-Bay

The 3 pt hitches bring $400 or more

The F-26 Sleeve Hitch Adapter bring $150

The rototiller will bring $400 on its own.

So, not including the tractor and deck, there is $1150 in optional equipment.

No matter what condition the 1985 446 and deck are in, they are certainly worth the additional $50.00.

If this one is still around, you should check it out......FAST.

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cowboy357

11-17-2013 19:14:00
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Tom Arnold, 11-16-2013 05:33:38  
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I have more info on the 444 that has no spark, it ran last month, sat and the battery went dead, battery was charged but machine would not start, had no spark. nothing else done. The machine has a three point hitch a front snow blade has hydraulics front and rear, machine was repainted mower deck has not been on it in last 5 years, that's how long this owner has had it. He only used it a few times a year to pull a lawn sweeper, was given to him in lieu of of payment for work done.

Anyone know what thew electrical system on this motor is like if it had to be replaced? The serial # is 1411475* anyone know what model year that translates to?

I also have an email off to the person with the 446 in Dracut, waiting to hear back on that one, the Onan motor is a little scary compare to the Kohler single cylinder. Sounds like it would be expensive to repair.

I hope to look at these soon.

Any comments would be appreciated

Thanks

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Tom Arnold

11-17-2013 22:56:26
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-17-2013 19:14:00  
You are missing one digit in the PIN but my guess is that it is a 1988, the last year of manufacture for the 444's.

As I have said previously, a used 3 pt hitch will easily bring $400.00 on e-Bay, if not more. A rear PTO commands $200.00 on most days. A decent Utility Blade will bring $200.00 to $400.00.

Case used Kohler K engines and Ingersoll kept on using them until production of the 200 and 400 Series ended in 1988. In other words, the 444 you are looking at should have a K engine with points, condenser and coil. All are suspect when there is no spark but none of them are expensive to replace.

The fact that the tractor ran last month is meaningless. Unless it is running when you come to view it, you cannot assess the PTO clutch or any aspect of the engine. Perhaps the charging system isn't working. Perhaps the engine is so tired it must be rebuilt immediately. Perhaps it has a broken rod.

Sellers who are too lazy to get their tractor into running shape should not be rewarded with the same sort of money a running tractor would garner. A battery that is allowed to go dead and sit in that state, is a damaged battery that is on its way out. Even if it will take a charge, it will not charge to the same level as a new one.

Case tractors did not come with FRONT hydraulics but that is not to say that a previous owner couldn't have added them.

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cowboy357

11-18-2013 17:46:47
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Tom Arnold, 11-17-2013 22:56:26  
Well the person with the 446 in Dracut got back to me tonight, it's sold so I'm still looking!! I didn't look at the no running 444 yet maybe next weekend, the seller isn't available during the week.

So the search goes on.

Thanks All I'll keep you posted!



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cowboy357

11-23-2013 19:10:10
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-18-2013 17:46:47  

Can anyone tell me the difference between the High wheel Case ? Ingersoll and the small wheel machine? Is it just the wheels, or is there something different about the frame? Are the decks and other attachments the same?
What happens if you change the wheels on a small wheel machine?

Thanks



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Tom Arnold

11-23-2013 21:15:48
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-23-2013 19:10:10  
Trying to convert a Lo Pro to a Hi Wheeler is an exercise in futility. Do not even attempt it. All you will do is destroy two tractors and end up with garbage that has little to no value.

It is more than just the back wheels. The axle shafts, drive motor, front axle, front spindles, tie rod, drag link, fenders, implement lift etc are all different. Even the basic frames are different due to the ground clearance.

Essentially the 38, 44 and 48 decks are interchangeable between the two Series providing you have the correct lift links that connect the rear of the deck to the implement lift. However, the 38" deck is not wide enough for the Hi Wheel models and the 48" deck is a bad choice on the ten HP 200's due to lack of HP to spin it while cutting thick or wet grass.

Just keep searching for a 444. Eventually you will spot one that was listed minutes earlier and you can jump on it before anyone else does.

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cowboy357

11-24-2013 05:20:48
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to Tom Arnold, 11-23-2013 21:15:48  
Thanks

Tom that's what I was looking for!



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Dave Beiter

11-15-2013 08:56:37
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-15-2013 04:53:01  
Tom, is right on the money as far as values, I just picked up an Ingersoll 4014 (newer version of the 444) and it has the M14 Kohler in it with the electronic ignition. I am not certain if they used the M series prior to 1989 though.. well, I paid $500 for a good running 4014 with blade, deck and ag tires.. I would keep looking, the right tractor is out there just waiting for ya! I will keep lurking on this forum if you have any other questions!
Dave

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Tom Arnold

11-15-2013 06:43:15
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 Re: best cub to buy & why in reply to cowboy357, 11-15-2013 04:53:01  
The 444 model began in 1969 and continued until the end of the 1988 production year. During that period, many changes were made to it. Most of the tractors came with Kohler K engines that were fitted with points, condenser and coil ignition except for 1969 and 1970.

It may well be that in the latter couple of years, Ingersoll used Kohler M engines with electronic ignition. The serial number of the tractor will help determine which engine is in the tractor under discussion.

$1000.00 for a non-running tractor is a steep price UNLESS.....there are ample reasons to justify that number. Normally, I would not pay more than $300.00 for a non-runner with a deck but if it had a rear PTO kit, then that would increase the value in my eyes by $150.00. If it had a sleeve hitch, then it would be worth another $100.00. If it had a 3 point hitch instead, then I would pay another $300.00.

Tire chains, wheel weights, Flow Control Valve kit, a Utility Blade and a Snowcaster would all increase the value because all of these items could be sold individually later on to recover what was spent.

The problem with a non-running tractor is that you cannot run hear it run, see if there is smoke in the exhaust or listen for noises that should not be there. I think that the Seller has a lot of nerve asking that kind of money for a basic tractor with deck. If he feels that it is truly worth that much, then HE should spend whatever it takes to get it running. For all anyone knows, it has a broken rod and he's just looking for a sucker to pay his price.

Let's see the photos and all the info.

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