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Re: Wheel Horse again..

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Old Roy

12-13-2012 11:41:24

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Joe, glgrumpy, amd Mainman.... this is what I have. The cover don't have a rail on it.

The only thing I see for a belt stop is just behind the engine drive pulley, with no other evidence of a belt stop, or guide. (Seems to be on the wrong side of drive pulley to force it to release from pulley) ???

The rear driven pulley has nothing around it, and I don't know if there should be

I did notice the belt is rubbing a bit on the metal ( top side of belt) on the steering tower. Do you think it to be a length problem? The clutching system seems to work as it should , the belt never came off according to previous owner, but he never minded the gear clashing.

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joe csuti

12-13-2012 17:48:15

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 Re: Wheel Horse again.. in reply to Old Roy, 12-13-2012 11:41:24  
Going back & looking at pic's you have in orig post I now suspect tractor a 416-8 which was made 85-92,the 516h was only made for 1 yr(88),the dash support,dash & hood were probably a transplant from a 516h,this being said after doing some checking at partstree & toro websites the drive belt,trans pulley & belt covers are different pn's between the 416 & 516h,for a 416 the belt is 82"x5/8",for the 516h the belt is 83"x5/8",as far as actual diam of trans pulley this is something you'll have to try & find out,possibly one of the other guys with a 416 or 516 can measure their pulley & let you know diam of same,belt covers appear to be the same in assembly drawings for each tractor.

In last group of pics you posted in 2nd one rod by eng pulley with belt laying on it,the rod is just a guide to feed belt into cover,although on some mod tractors this can be adjusted to change spaceing between belt & pulley,you need owners manual to check this out.

If this tractor is a 416 if you look at arm that idler pulley is mounted you'll see a tab guide on arm,depending on angle of arm this tab serves a dual function,it keeps belt from jumping off idler pulley and as angle of arm changes when depressing clutch pedal acts as a friction brake for belt by rubbing on back side of belt & also stops belt from kicking back after it has moved forward to disengage eng pulley.If drive belt wrong size or trans pulley changed it's going to take some time/money to get problem sorted out & get clutch back to where it should be to operate correctly.If you're on speaking terms with previous owner find out if he changed trans pulley or eng pulley.

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Old Roy

12-14-2012 11:42:48

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 Re: Wheel Horse again.. in reply to joe csuti, 12-13-2012 17:48:15  
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Thanks to you , and the others. I came back and re read the posts...This is exactly what I found!!! Thanks!!

Now I just hope the wear on that top part don't try cutting the belt.

I can now shift gears without any problem though.

Do you think I may need to add a turned up piece on it so it rides more on top of belt ?

I probably never would have found this if not for this post.

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joe csuti

12-15-2012 03:23:38

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 Re: Wheel Horse again.. in reply to Old Roy, 12-14-2012 11:42:48  
I would leave tab guide as is,all the tabs on my manual/hydro trans idler setups look similar(minus the large amount of rust)If you add a curve to edge you may defeat the function of tab.

If you replace belt(recommended)first have belt measured then buy an oem belt of the correct pn from local toro dealer as he may have the same pn=belt length lookup I have.DO NOT use a plain generic V belt with nylon/rayon cords as these belts strech,glaze & slip after they get hot also the back side is not designed for idler pulley,tabs or any other object to be in contact with backside of belt and you get short life out of belt.

If you look at most wh belts they have a wrapped sheath on belt,this slows/stops belt from streching when it gets hot & prevents glazeing/slipping & makes belt more oil resistant.After finding out length of belt you might want to consider buying a "kevlar" belt at link below,I've been buying belts here for approx 10 yrs,these belts are wrapped but have internal kevlar cords,I have 8 yrs on several eng/trans drive belts & now going into 5th spring with mower drive belt.If you goto website just type v belt in search then go thru listings as same are listed by length/width,just be carefull selecting belt when going thru listings as standard nylon/rayon belts are mixed in listings also.

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Old Roy

12-13-2012 18:21:18

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 Re: Wheel Horse again.. in reply to joe csuti, 12-13-2012 17:48:15  
Yes this was a Hydro the 416 H I didn't know what they called the gear drive. Guessing what you say is the 416 8 Previous owner changed the rear over to the gear drive.
He is not sure what belt he used whether it be from the original Hydro or an extra he had for his puller.

Surprises me that the belt for the Hydro is longer than the one for the gear drive. I thank you for that info Guess I'll have to go deeper tomorrow to measure it, Also I'll measure the pulley on the trans axle, I'm taking a wild guess at 4" ( The only reason I may have doubts on this being correct is I know this thing would run circles around my 782 on the road, I know it would keep up easily with my neighbors 2 wd Gator.... Just keep checking on this post. If problems arise I'll post here..I truly appreciate the reply. Thanks again !

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