Case snowcasters

ngzcaz

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I seem to notice that the case seem to have more " grooves " and closer together and spin faster than other snowthrowers. They really seem to blow snow better than similar 1 stage garden blowers. Just my imagination or is there a reason ?

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TF,
Have you ever owned a Case GT and used one with their snow caster?

I get the impression that you are tarring the Case with a big brush because you had a problem with another brand of single stage blower.

No matter which way you answer, you need to take the following into consideration. Case got into the garden tractor biz back in 1965 when they bought Colt Tractor. The very first Case models DID have a two stage blower. Those were made for Case by both Haban and Lambert. A fellow collector and good friend of mine has a 1965 130 Case with a Lambert 2 stage blower on it and if I knew how to put photos on this site, I'd show you a photo of it.

A company the size of J.I. Case with all their engineering capability and pockets deeper than you and I can imagine, decided that 2 stage blowers were too large, too heavy,too complicated, too expensive and not all that superior to the single stage unit they developed. So, from 1966 right up to 2011, the single-stage Case and now Ingersoll snow caster has remained basically unchanged.

Yes, there have been tiny alterations in how the pulley was attached or how the chain got adjusted but there has not been any "new and improved" design change in the last 43 years. Over that time-frame, many thousands of these single-stage units have been sold and used by customers all over the USA and Canada where snow falls.

Those people use them on every type of snow imaginable. I've been on forums for over six years and no one is complaining about those snow casters. In fact, I mostly read rave reviews. So, puzzle me this Traditional Farmer. How is it possible for all those thousands of Case and Ingersoll snow caster owners to be happy with this single stage unit if it won't blow wet snow?

And if this single stage design was somehow inferior and not meeting customer needs, then why has the design remained unchanged for 43 years? You see, I'm not arguing with you at all. I'm simply asking you to answer some questions based on provable facts. I'm looking forward to reading your replies to those questions.
 
Tom, there is a company that makes a two stage for Ingersoll tractors that also has the electric shute and and raising and lowering the deflector from the seat. If they ever do something about the dealer network I will go back. Had a single stage blower(s) on my 446 and 3 448's from 1982 to 1999 when I switched to Simplicity and single stage. Never had any problems with the single stage Case/Ingersoll. Used to have snow coming right over the top and she kept on blowing!
 
I've owned a bunch of Case tractors and a couple Case snowblowers just like all the rest of the companies that built single stage blowers they work up to a certain point in light snow but can't compare to a 2 stage snowblower in what they'll do.Two snowblowers cost more is why there are so many single stage ones around
 
John,
I think that you are referring to Berco, an equipment company based in Quebec, Canada. If I am right, then that is there universal 2 stage blower that will fit many brands of tractors thanks to all the bolt on adapter kits they designed for it.

People who have that brand are quite happy with it. They report good performance and that it's well-made. But they are 4" narrower than the Case snow caster and they don't come cheap.

Link below.

As for the current Ingersoll dealer situation, it is what it is. Good intentions only go so far.
Berco
 
I certainly agree that 2 stage units cost more. They take up more space when in storage, have a gearbox that needs to be taken care of and they also require more counter weighting due to the higher weight and how far they stick out the front of the tractor.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion but Youtube has plenty of very happy Case and Ingersoll owners showing off just how well their single stage snow casters work.

Slush at certain temps can be problematic for both types of blowers. There is no perfect answer here. This is a debate that can be found on just about any forum regardless of brand. It's as old as Ford vs Chev vs Mopar and it will never be resolved.
 
No its not a brand thing its a design thing and apparently you have never had experience using different blowers.Experience is much better than Youtube.I can take the 2 stage blower on my Ariens
GT 18 and blow circles around any garden tractor
with a single stage blower.Yea there are a few more working parts but there are a few more working parts on a car today than on a Model T but not many people perfer to drive a model T these days(LOL)
 
TF,
I am aware all too well that it is difficult to figure out anyone's total life experience when meeting them on the internet.

As someone who was born and raised in Canada, I'm no stranger to snow of all kinds nor am I unfamiliar with snow removal techniques or machinery. I have owned and used one of the first Honda tracked walk-behind 2 stage blowers with a mere 5.5 hp engine and that sucker would toss snow like no tomorrow.

I still own my mid-80's Honda 3810 LT with a 2 stage blower attachment. I have owned and operated a Case loader/backhoe that I used to clear snow as well as many Case skid steer loaders. For several years, I operated an 1840 Case skid steer with a power angle plow that I designed and built for it as a sub-contractor clearing snow at the local hospital.

In addition, I own seven Champion road graders with wing plows that were under contract to the city for five years and five of them have wing blades. Added to that would be the L-70 Volvo and the Komatsu rubber-tired FEL's that were also under contract.

Moving snow one way or the other is something that has been part of my life since I was a teenager. I also worked with my son in his venture into indoor snowmobile racing that saw us moving upwards of 300 tri-axle dump truck loads of snow into places such as the Pontiac Silverdome, Alearus Center, Fargodome, Montreal's Big O stadium, Toronto's SkyDome, Toronto's AC Centre and Minneapolis's HH Humphrey Centre.

We used tracked backhoes and rubber-tired loaders ranging up to 4 cubic yard buckets as well as truck-loading snow blowers.

But all of that is immaterial to the argument between single stage vs 2 stage. If the issue is one of distance, then a properly designed 2-stage is unbeatable. One of the best is the Gravely SnoCannon. The question is whether throwing snow fifty feet is necessary or even desirable.

If I was clearing a parking lot, then I'd want to toss snow as far as I could so I did not have to toss it again. But the normal 2 car driveway is 18 feet wide. If my Case blower will throw snow just 15 feet, then I can start in the middle and clear to both sides. I don't want my snow flying over on my neighbour's property because I don't need the aggravation that will surely bring.

Without question, a single stage unit works best when you can keep stuffing snow into it just as fast as it throws it. When clearing slush, that's much harder to do. Therefore, the performance does drop off but I have never encountered a real problem unless the temp starts to drop to the point where the slush is now beginning to freeze on the chute.

When that happens, two-stage units are not immune to clogging. The one thing that separates the Case design from the others is the large diameter discharge chute that is less prone to clogging.

Having to clear slush is a rare situation for most people in most areas and slush is best dealt with by using a plow, not a blower.
 
Hi Tom

When did Case make a 52" Blower. :) LOL

Berco has a 48" as well as 44" and 40" Maybe others?

I have a 38" Case and a 44" Berco. A single stage will blow a lot of snow a little way's and a two-stage will blow a little snow along ways. :)
Both blowers can be plugged with certain slush conditions
Stewart
 
Stew.....Berco makes a 44" wide blower. Add 4" to that. LOL

BTW...did I ever tell you about the Torq 224 I've owned for a couple years? I'm watching you, dude. I see everything and read everythng......everywhere. ROFLMAO
 
Tom

An old wise man on another site Recommended that I read before I post. LOL

Ya the Berco Deluxe is 40" or 44" with chain drive on the 1st stage but the Berco Nor-Eastern is 44" or 48" with a gear box driving the 1st stage.

NORTHEAST Snowblower / Manual Lift
44" Model - # 700374-2
48" Model - # 700378-2

No you never told me about your Torq 224.LOL But I read you owned one. :) I had a question that never got answered so maybe you know.

If I put a 400 Drive Motor in my 224-79 would I be able to Mow in High Range?

Stewart
 
With heavy Icy snow a 2 stage will blow the snow and the single stage owners will shovel.Last year when we had 18" of icy snow I got paid to blow out several driveways for people who owned single stage blowers.They had the same augments about Two vs single stage blowers as you fellows until that snow came
 
Thanks Tom

When I get it installed I'll post a picture. LOL

BTW Did you ever get your Brownie back from the repair shop?
 
Heavy icy snow is where single stage blowers are useless and much of the USA gets that type snow sometimes.Why do you think high $$$ blowers like
Holder are all 2 stage?Because they work the best everywhere.
 
Yes, my Brownie is working well but if JayVee43 thinks he's going to see pics of my GT's, he's dreaming.

Stewart.... there is a 41 1/2 percent drop in ground speed if you use a 400 motor in a 200. If your 200 has a top speed of 9.4 mph in high range, then that would drop to 5.5 mph.

Since top speed in a stock 200 is 4 mph in Lo range, then you could cut your grass at a mile and half per hour faster with this mod. However, top speed in low range would drop from 4 mph to 2.34 mph.

If you have a dedicated lawn mowing machine, then perhaps this would work. Wheel torque would increase dramatically. I would venture that it would make a huge difference while rototilling.
 
ROTFLOL

Thanks for the math work Tom.

Those 16" wheels are bigger than I thought. LOL

I don't Till,likely won't Mow and have an FCV for

blowing. I can see my 224-79 staying with the 200

motor.:)

I think that if I add a loader,I'll add the 400 drive. LOL

Stewart
 

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