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Ford 5000 Super Major

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gandl2123

01-28-2018 16:39:08




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I'm going to try to post some pictures of what I have here I've had this tractor fall in my lap I really like to know more about it and what it is and maybe how much it's worth. I'm told it is not ran for the last two or three years but it's supposed to run good. It is located in Augusta Georgia USA.

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knares

02-14-2018 18:52:46




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
in JLMac picture, note the excess fuel button, this is for cold starting.

lever in full revs position, towards the front of the engine, then push the button in



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JLMac

02-14-2018 15:31:18




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
8 quarts. Here's a manual.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Super-Major-Manual/261441274587?hash=item3cdf1d42db:g:WbAAAOxydUJTOxxw



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gandl2123

02-14-2018 15:08:35




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
How many quarts of oil does this tractor take on a change?



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gandl2123

02-14-2018 15:07:03




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Nice diagram. Thank you for posting.



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JLMac

02-14-2018 14:59:56




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
I grabbed this image from the net, the top mark is were you add oil, you fill to the other mark and the drain is the bolt below that.



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gandl2123

02-13-2018 16:07:40




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Not yet. ????



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gandl2123

02-13-2018 16:07:29




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Not yet. ????



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gandl2123

02-13-2018 15:56:34




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Notice right below the Twisted upper radiator hose is a lever in the down position this position gives full compression while cranking if you pick that lever up you can bleed the system with no compression and the battery just turn the engine right over.



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gandl2123

02-13-2018 11:16:17




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
I will see if I got a picture of that lever it's actually pretty cool it makes it much easier on the battery to turn over much easier to bleed and like you said it would probably help started almost like you do with ATVs that have a decompression lever.



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gandl2123

02-13-2018 11:14:25




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Rinsed filter out with clean diesel. Ordering one w new petcock valve and maybe new pump. I'm collecting all the filters and getting containers to drain fluids into.



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knares

02-13-2018 08:01:04




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Forgot to mention the decompression lever, I don’t think I have seen one my self

I believe it gets a bit cool in Canada, in the cool weather when the motor is hard to crank, you hold the lever in the decompression position crank the engine,
When the engine is up to revs you drop the lever and hopefully it will start.

It would be good to decompress the engine while cranking it to bleed the fuel also
As for your dad, I too am 75

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JLMac

02-13-2018 07:16:37




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
You did change the fuel filter and the oil in the injector pump?



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gandl2123

02-13-2018 06:43:36




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Very nice explanation of the details I think in point to that are two bolts won the input line and to the output line I'm going to leave the first one on the left first and then the second one on the right next work over to the pump I do understand about that stop lever I didn't know what that was supposed to be in or out. My 75 year old dad was telling me that it needed to be in to run and out to stop I don't know why I kept not believing him he was wrong I mean he was right in so many accounts. The cable is very sticky on the injector so I may just take that cable off and work it by hand if I need to but I do understand the need to see the fuel stop with the engine cranking also there's a lever on top of the valve cover in the front that cranks it over with no compression which will help in this process I think that's why it's there. Right now I don't have a key for it I am pulling the start lever to engage the starter and then I'm crossing the solenoid with a screwdriver and that's cranking it up just fine on either but until I bleed it it won't work on diesel. The fuel pump was screwing fuel out the side of it but I tighten up the front nut two or three turns and that went away I'm probably going to have to invest in a fuel pump rebuild kit with new gaskets for that thing about $13 out here. Thanks for your help now I know exactly what I need to do.

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knares

02-13-2018 06:33:11




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
No 1 stop cable, needs to be all the way to the front to start, pull to the rear to stop.

No 2 accelerator lever, all the way to the front for full revs

No 3 fuel hand pump, this pump is used for bleeding the fuel system.

If the pump lever is on the top of the cam, the hand lever will not work very well if at all.

If you feel there is no resentence when operating the lever, turn the engine about ½ a turn and try again and if no look, turn it some more.

Loosen the bleeder Bolt on top of the filter and operate the fuel pump lever, it should pump fuel out.

When it dose, Tighten the bleeder

Then undo the bleeder bolts on the side of the injector pump, and pump fuel out of them.

Tighten the bleeder bolt

Then, undo the injector lines at the injectors, and crank the motor over on full throttle.

When you have fuel squirting out of the fuel lines, pull the stop cable and with the engine still cranking, make sure the fuel flow stops, if it doesn’t stop, don’t go any further.

If you cant turn the fuel off with the stop cable, then you cant stop the motor.

That’s how I do it, you do it at your risk

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gandl2123

02-13-2018 06:00:12




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Nice so does that make it a 62 model or does that make it like cars today and makes it a 63? Also if you don't mind what was your source of information? Or maybe even better if you could post a little picture of the book you're getting out of that shows the serial number range. Tks. Were these tractors only Built between 1961 and 64 or 1960 and 64? I was just a two-year-old toddler when this thing was put on the ground. Lol

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knares

02-13-2018 05:59:58




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knares

02-13-2018 05:56:16




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knares

02-13-2018 04:47:22




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
According to my info, she is December 1962



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gandl2123

02-12-2018 19:45:39




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
I was able to get her started she fired right up on ether but then she shut down I had to set up at Bowl off I'm going to have to get a new fuel petcock it's barely letting any fuel come out of the tank the tank was terribly nasty smelling so I got rid of the old fuel cleaned out the sediment tank which look like a swamp cleaned out the fuel filter which look like a swamp and now I think I'm stuck with having maybe to somehow bleed the system and I don't know the procedure but she did fire right up and as long as I missed it the efer into her she just sat there and purred.

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gandl2123

02-12-2018 18:20:47




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brownsmule

02-13-2018 08:30:46




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 02-12-2018 18:20:47  
Hello, hope you get your tractor started and sorted out. Additional information at fordsontractorpages.nl in England where this tractor was built. Brian is the man from the factory and can help you a bunch. Majors are built like a tank and can even handle a 6 cyl engine conversion. Best Regards brownsmule in NC



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gandl2123

02-12-2018 18:13:19




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Went over tonight and I was able to swap out the old fuel for good diesel fuel I cleaned out the sediment bowl which was absolutely horrible I was able to take the fuel filter off it was also muddy horrible. The tractor fires right up and knocks a little bit on ether but it won't run on its own I don't understand the controls. I figured out the compression handle at the front of the head when it is down I'm getting full compression and she runs when it is up there is no compression then she just rolls over I don't know why this handle or this decompression handle would be part of this tractor or the proper way to use it. There is a choke looking lever on the right side of the front panel when I pull that it pulls a lever on the back of the injection pump. I don't know if this lever on the injection pump is to be in the forward position or the rear word position in order to run. The handle under the steering wheel which is the throttle I don't know if it is to be pushed away from me or near me or in the middle when I'm trying to start it. There is a small lever on the fuel pump itself I don't know what this is for unless it's some kind of prime mechanism nor do I understand how to use it. When the tractor was running on ether there was fuel coming out of the gasket area on the fuel pump couple turns on that bolt in the front of the fuel pump and that stopped. I'm really at a loss and don't know what to do I do not have a key to this tractor but power and jumping the starter solenoid as I hold down on the starter handle cranks the tractor over and it starts on ether it just won't run by itself on its own diesel. I'm going to go ahead and post a bunch of pictures I believe it's a 1963 64 as above maybe it's a Canadian model. I would love if I can find some kind of a manual or book that showed me what every single lever and handle and switch and cable does.

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gandl2123

02-12-2018 18:04:31




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
I got some numbers here can anybody tell me what year this tractor is?



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gandl2123

02-12-2018 18:03:35




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gandl2123

02-12-2018 17:24:21




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
OMGosh tks for posting this. Got mine started tonight but won't stay running. Don't want to put ether in her but she fires right up but not getting fuel.



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knares

02-12-2018 16:54:49




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
power steering, thats a bit flash

i did put power steering on mine when i changed the axle



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JLMac

02-10-2018 10:42:48




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
You could try tractor wreckers for 30 inch rims.



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gandl2123

02-10-2018 05:17:45




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Wow there's a whole lot of history there with that boy. Looks like he could use a full restore as well. I like the way that tire fits with that Fender where you can still get a fist in between there. My tire is way too tight on the fender. The one thing I like about the tractor that I have is all the sheet metal I don't think there's one dent anywhere. I just really don't have much use for a tractor I just would love to do the work and restore it and I can use it to drag my driveway.

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knares

02-10-2018 00:06:41




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
went looking for the blade, didnt find it but i did find the frame.

the frame is attached to the three point linkage.
to lift the blade, you lift the three point linkage.



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knares

02-09-2018 22:34:01




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Those are the wrong rear wheels on it, they should be white and dished different.

I will have to look for the blade, haven’t seen it in a while



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knares

02-09-2018 22:30:50




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knares

02-09-2018 22:18:12




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
I meant to say the hydraulics are live



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knares

02-09-2018 22:11:39




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
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I got this tractor off my uncle, he bought it new, it has done a terrific amount of work, I have had it for over forty years.
Amongst other things, after the dozers went through, he cleared over 4000 acres with this machine

Sometimes getting up to four punctures a day and that is with cover tires

This was in the sixtys

Being a farmer and not to clued, maintenance was close to zero

The fuel pump seized up twice to my knowledge, lack of oil

The front axle is not standard, it came off a international crane, the original axle housing broke

The engine is now us, needs rebuilding.

Its been a wonderful machine

Standard tires in Australia are 18.4 28

12v is standard

The long lever by your left foot is to engage the PTO and hydraulics if I remember correctly

hydraulics are live

The PTO is then engaged and disengaged by the lever at the rear but if the lever by your left foot Is not engaged the PTO will not drive
The lever by your left knee is the starter

cant get the photo to load, its on there but isnt loading

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gandl2123

02-09-2018 20:35:08




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/006/4/4/6440-ford-5000-diesel.html

I noticed that when I looked at the above site the rear tires on this are very large and almost hit the fenders it would probably be a better looking tractor with 30 inch rims and the matching tires not to mention cheaper. I wonder if this tractor was retrofitted by Ford or by the customer we may never know. So much for being all original....

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JLMac

02-09-2018 20:24:55




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Yes the fuel shut off cable in right position and short starter and push starter lever, I think lol. And you should be sitting the seat with clutch the pedal depressed also when starting lol!
Didn't realize you had 38" rims, 30x16.9 are the common size for North American models.



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gandl2123

02-09-2018 19:59:11




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
So if I have the injector fuel delivery Cable in the correct position if I had to I could actually short the starter? You also forgot to tell me to make sure it's in neutral when I do this...lol. as far as the tires I'm having a big problem finding tires for it the 14 9x38 but apparently there's a place near the Florida border that has a set of used ones about 4 hours away for a decent price.



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JLMac

02-09-2018 19:50:27




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
The key sends power to the starter, no glow plugs on the Majors. Hope you can get the rear tires repaired.



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JLMac

02-09-2018 19:40:16




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
They're originally a 12 volt system, it's common to see alternator upgrade.



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gandl2123

02-09-2018 19:37:21




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Thank you for the much-needed information everything was clear except for the part about the injection pump control knob but I do believe as a diesel that's what shuts it off as well the key is basically for the glow plug is my correct?



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JLMac

02-09-2018 19:27:44




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
It will be a '63 or '64 made in England. Serial # is stamped on block above injection pump, should have FL on the head above that. '63 & '64 North American models of that tractor where called Ford 5000 Super Major and your color cream/gray hood and fenders and Blue.... In the rest of the world they where a Fordson Super Major with blue hood, white fenders...To start make sure the
injection pump fuel shut off control cable knob is pushed in. If you can find a key to fit it (I use a Toyota a key that came with mine) turn key till the gen light comes on, then push the lever down that's on the left that goes to the starter. In a few seconds it will fire up and you will have big smile on your face!

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gandl2123

02-09-2018 17:59:50




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
How do I tell what year of manufacture this tractor is where are the serial numbers or the model numbers anybody who has one like this please send me pictures of the gauges pictures and explanations of the knobs and controls maybe a picture with the blade underneath would be cool I cannot find anywhere on the internet one that is gray and blue like buying all of them are blue.



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gandl2123

02-09-2018 17:42:09




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
I wish somebody could tell me where the Ford 5000 came from from what I have discovered it seems as though this tractor was imported from Britain and it was right before Ford came out with their Ford 5000 so at least came off the boat Ford just put their sticker on them and sold. That's the story I'm getting I wish I could tell.



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Benj R

02-10-2018 13:48:14




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 02-09-2018 17:42:09  

This is how the super majors looked when they came to Canada in 63&64 most had 16.9x30 rear tires,however other sizes could be ordered.

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gandl2123

02-09-2018 17:39:09




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Would you please send me some pictures of your tractor also I would like if you could to explain to me what some of the controls are on the left and right side and as you're sitting in the seat there are so many Libras and bars I have no idea. Also I want to start this tractor but I have no key and I'm not sure how to start it without a key. It looks as though somebody has put an alternator on this tractor and switch it over to 12 volt from its original 6 volt. That too is a little bit confusing.

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knares

02-09-2018 16:50:40




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
if that Blade is the same as mine, its not a front blade, it fits underneath between the front and rear axles
The tractor looks the same as mine but where the 5000 came from ???



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brownsmule

02-09-2018 15:29:51




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Any update on this old tractor? Thanks pwb



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gandl2123

01-30-2018 17:46:25




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No I can't find the blade anywhere it seems like all the support mechanisms are underneath the tractor but anything that went to the blade is gone and there seems to be some hydraulics in the back that are no longer there as well



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JLMac

01-30-2018 17:15:21




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Your welcome, the front blade attachment would be some what collectible I would think. Is the blade kicking around there?



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01-29-2018 20:21:09




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Thanks for the good advice. I wasn't even aware that it had oil to be changed in it. Lol



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JLMac

01-29-2018 16:29:59




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Great pictures, nice find! Make sure you change the oil in the injection pump, it takes same oil as engine as do the air breathers.



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01-29-2018 12:12:43




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DAF-3 Dossier by ARPS parts available. Evidence of former hydrolics.



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01-29-2018 10:57:31




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
Went today and checked it out very well it all looks together the oil in the engine seems to be black I guess I could drain and make sure there's no water in it before I do it. From what I gather it used to have a dozer type blade on it I can't tell how many hours it's got on it because the gauge is messed up there. It does have probably a $500 or more 6 foot box blade on the back. When you say vintage apparently vintage doesn't make it worth anymore correct. We were able to turn the fan over and the motor is not locked it moved over quite easily and the first thing we noticed is some diesel fuel leaking out of the injector front area. So I imagine if I hook up the starter with the battery imagine I'm going to have one heck of a leak there a fuel smells very funny in the tank. I also believe it's been switched over to 12 volt as I see some of the wires are cut and it has what looks like a GM alternator on it. I'm going to go ahead and post some more pictures that I took today. I think I can get the owner to sell it to me for $500 and a couple rides on my nice Harley. Not sure if I'm doing the right thing here as I don't let anybody ride my Harley both tires need to be fixed because there's riveted patches in the tops of each tire.

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01-29-2018 14:02:59




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-29-2018 10:57:31  
I didn't know about the blade. Add for that. The last time, I bought a pair of tires,
they were nearly $1,000 installed.[Imports]. A little diesel seepage shouldn't bother at this point. Can probably be fixed with a new gasket or adhesive. I don't know what a southern climate does, but I wouldn't think 3 year old diesel fuel would be "bad'.

My use of "Vintage" in this context is just an expression, meaning approximate. It was the last year for English Fordson tractors. They made more of them under a different name in Spain. In the area of old cars, Vintage is something like 1919-1930. I don't know if tractor guys go by that very much. And they aren't like "Vintage Wine", in that certain years are better than others, but some might be thought so. For example, the Ford 3000, or JD 4020, or Farmall M. Some may think of 1942-45 tractors as "War Vintage", since they had special features to reduce use of strategic materials.

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brownsmule

01-28-2018 19:15:30




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
some interest IF you decide to part out or sell whole. email open pwb



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cdmn

01-28-2018 18:47:32




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 Re: Ford 5000 Super Major in reply to gandl2123, 01-28-2018 16:39:08  
It's of 1964 vintage. A good general purpose tractor in its day. It's kind of hard to gamble on a tractor that doesn't run.
You could part it out for $500 or more depending how fast you want
it gone. To get it running, you need at least $500 in tires and
a good cleaning of fluids, such as draining the bottom pint or so of
water condensation in engine and drive line. Sometimes the injector pump
gets sticky. If you know what you're doing it's not too hard to get it
freed up. I've got one with many, many hours, but it starts easily.

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