Fordson engine at auction

I found an auction listing for a "new Fordson 6-cylinder diesel engine, complete, model 22865". Is that likely to be a casting number? The auction is about 130 miles from me, so I'm not likely to go... unless a friend asks me to bid on the Jubilee that is there. What would an engine like this be worth? The auction bill can be seen at www.bunczak.com.

If it says Fordson, not Ford, it must be from before 1964. Quite desirable for those
who want to convert a Fordson Major to a bigger engine. There was also a diesel engine
used in Fordson E27N, which was built by Perkins. That would be fairly exciting. Depends
so much on condition. Lots of work to make them fit. Combine engines can be found for a few hundred, but they are a more modern model. All are quickly disappearing.

The number might be an industrial serial number. I'll check mine to see where it fits.

Hi That number doesn't mean anything to me unless it's a serial number I'd need to look at mine, It's a shame there is no picture. I need a 6 cyl 330 Dagenham shaft drive injector pump engine, as the cranks bad in my power major conversion from England, if it was a perkins 288 from an E27N longhorn I could use that pretty easy for another tractor to with a cracked block and oil pan. if it was a newer non shaft pump 330 from 1965 on that would fit my county 954 to!

Wisconsin is not far from my border drop shipping guy in ND if it was what I needed and somebody would pallet and ship making a sensible profit, so I could get it into Manitoba a bit easier. I guess lifes just wonderful some days with this odd ball stuff showing up just that bit to far from home for a sale trip.
Regards Robert

I think that auctioneer only posts pictures for one auction at a time. I'd bet he'll have pictures up by Monday. And if he's like the auctioneers around here, he'd be willing to post or e-mail pictures of the engine.
I may be able to go to the sale. We got another layer of that white stuff on top of our mud today... I won't be starting field work for a while.

Here's a 330 cu in diesel of the Fordson vintage

That number is a lot lower than either of mine.

That is a 590E engine and very desirable with the later Minimec Pump. Ideal for a Major conversion. They are the six cylinder version of the Major engine and were used in combines, County and Roadless tractors and even in the early Northrop.

Hi fordfarmer Thanks for the reply, It would be interesting to know more about it. Might be worth a shot me emailing him, or see what happens Monday like you say. It would be real nice if it was what I needed and could maybe get it somehow for my tractor.
The weather hasn't been good the last few days here in Manitoba it's pretty cold again, but guys are figuring on sowing a crop so been out fixing equipment for them. I got a motor to rebuild in our second tractor before we get busy on our farm to, so no sitting around here and going to local sales sadly.
Regards Robert

Guess I didn't read very carefully. I was thinking the auction was next weekend... the 16th. Now I see it's the 23rd.
I did send an email asking for pictures and information. I'll let you know what I hear back.

Update: Finally got an email reply from the auctioneer. No pictures. It's "new", in the crate. Was bought at a dealer closeout with the intention of putting it in a payloader, but it wouldn't fit. Been sitting in the shed ever since. Complete with manifolds and injection pump, but no flywheel.
So, how much work is an engine that has been sitting for YEARS like that going to need? Seals, gaskets, o-rings...could even be stuck, if it wasn't stored right. What's it worth? Simple availability will be the main price driver, I assume.

H Fordfarmer Thanks for the reply, it's one of those big chance motors that its even the right motor with no pictures or seeing it. The seal rings on the sleeves are probably going to be perished/ dried out so they would either leak now or shortly after being first used if it's a 6D. a tear down is a strong possibility.
The injector pump elements may be stuck or rusted up after all this time to. Not knowing more than whats listed I'd say 500 tops and hope shipping wasn't huge and it was what it's supposed to be. worst options for me would be it's wrong it won't fit my tractor and i couldn't get the parts from it to fix mine up .
Regards Robert

I wasn't able to go to the sale - the fields have dried out enough to start working the better drained ones. But I guess it didn't matter. The auctioneer sent me an email saying that the engine brought $700.

I went....and almost got into A fight because I don’t know how to keep my damn mouth shut! It was a 2700 series not the 590E, and I was just going to mind my own business and let them think what they want. The auctioneer started out buy telling everyone how it was a Fordson engine and you could bolt it in your Fordson and have a Super Six...and I started to squirm and grumble but I just stood there and bit my lip.... and then the auctioneer proceeded to tell everyone that they had done some research on line and this was the extremely rare engine that was used in the Super Six... and I just stood there biting my lip till my cousin hit me, and then it happened..... I opened my mouth. I blurted out that “I don’t want to be an a**hole”, but this was not a Fordson engine, that it was an industrial engine made in England and a lot of them were put in New Holland combines. This is about the time that I noticed a lot of people were staring at me and not many of them were smiling, this included not only the auctioneer but the owner that happened to be standing 5 feet away from me. If there would have been a pitchfork handy I think I may have been running for my life. At this point the auctioneer very politically and politely, informed everyone that I was an loudmouth idiot and proceeded to sell the engine for $700, probably would have gotten a lot more if some a**hole would have kept his mouth shut.
Regardless whomever bought it probably got a good deal if they actually had a use for it, it appeared to be a brand new engine still in the crate, and it was not tight. The chance of ever stumbling across another are quite slim.
And I should probably explain to those that don’t know, these 2700 engines will take the 53-64 Fordson flywheel and clutch, and the top five or six bell housing bolts line up, but from there you are on your own. There are quite a few examples all over the globe including one in my barn, but its not exactly a “drop it in and go” job.

Pat

Hi Ford farmer Thanks for the update, I'm kinda glad you didn't go from what Bear creek said about it, as it wasn't the older motor like the picture that was posted as an example here earlier. This is what I was really afraid of and it sounds like the auctioneers a lying clown! .

I know bear creek from another forum and him telling the truth was the best thing that day. Both of us having fitted that newer motor in Majors know the truth. It kinda ticks me no end when guys selling post the same mis info on ebay to. The older motor is a better conversion, but still not easy to get looking right.
Thanks again for the time trying, That was a real case of buyer beware and needing to know. It might of been right for my second county 954 if it was a 2700 330, but thats way down my priority list and would of been worth more to me if we'd a known .
Regards Robert

Well, if I had gone, at least Id have known it was a 2700. My combine has a 2715E in it...so I'm at least somewhat familiar with them. We both could have tucked off the auctioneer.
Bear Creek - if you read this, did you happen to hear what the Jubilee brought? Just curious. A friend is looking for one with a Sherman combo.

Hi Robert, to be honest with you I don't think they were trying to scam anyone, they just simply did not know what it was, There are a fair amount of people in the area that do, but the auctioneer and the owner weren't one of those people.

Hi Ford Farmer, No we didn't stick around for the Jubilee, It actually didn't look half bad and was probably going to be the highest priced item there. We decided we should leave before someone accidently hit me in the back of the head with a shovel.

And on the subject of me being an a**hole, earlier in the day they were waiting to auction off several pallets of new tires, I asked the auctioneer if he was waiting for the Amish guys to get over there before he started, I don't think he found much humor in that ether.

Pat