FORD 2000 DEXTA 4 CYL GAS --- NEED STARTER

cbowers83

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I have what I believe to be an early Ford 2000, 1961 looks like the dexta diesel but 4 cyl standard gas engine. My problem is I can't find information on a replacement starter. Engine is the same as a TEA20 Massey, but they put their starter on the opposite side. It is a lucas starter part number 25061E. I can find this starter for cars but the rotation is reverse, and has the wrong number of teeth on the drive gear. I am not really a tractor guy... could anyone point me in the right direction?? Thank you.
 
There seem to be several sources. You may have to ship from England, but maybe not.
I just searched for Lucas 25061E
 
Starter is a special with a very long drive. I have seen nothing like it and I have been a Ford mechanic. I own a petrol Dexta
and am collecting as much information on them as I can. I tried to get a new starter for mine a couple of years ago here in
England with no luck. You may find one in Canada or even an old Standard Triumph dealer, the bendix is still available but the
ring gear on the flywheel is a bit like hens teeth, I had to buy one in Canada and one in Australia as a spare.

The engine was used on Massey balers at one time but there were only 4000 petrol Dextas made.

The starters for the M-F petrols are nothing like as long in the shaft as this one.

I would be grateful if you could either e-mail me or post your engine number and serial number together with any casting date
codes so I can add them to the register of these tractors that I am putting together. So far I have found around 100, the latest
find being seven in one place in Denmark.

This one is mine and the other is a picture of two petrols, ploughing together, mine and one owned by a friend. I now have three
within 10 miles of where I live in Norfolk, England.
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(quoted from post at 22:29:32 02/12/16) There seem to be several sources. You may have to ship from England, but maybe not.
I just searched for Lucas 25061E

I have looked at these also. All of the ones that I have found have been the wrong rotation or wrong drive or something.
 

I keep hoping for a miracle or a way to rebuild my old one. My ring gear is OK. But the rearbearing is shot in the starter and it also needs an electrical refurb. Can't find parts though.
 
The rear bearing is a bronze bush and should be available, you should be able to get one turned up. The starter barrel and coils
are the same as a lot of British car starters of the time, the difficult part is the coils and shaft.

I will ask on our web site fordsontractorpages.nl and see if anyone in Canada can help.
 
(quoted from post at 02:50:58 02/14/16) The rear bearing is a bronze bush and should be available, you should be able to get one turned up. The starter barrel and coils
are the same as a lot of British car starters of the time, the difficult part is the coils and shaft.

I will ask on our web site fordsontractorpages.nl and see if anyone in Canada can help.

Any help would be appreciated. If I can fix the starter I also need carb parts or a replacement so any information would be helpful. I really do appreciate all of your efforts.
 

I haven't used the forum much so I can't figure out how to email you. My tractor serial number is as follows: 959E 86194.
 
bhe at btconnect.com or at www.fordsontractorpages.nl. Having asked around, we all agree that the front plate, barrel, coils and
rear plate are the same as the TE 20 and M-F35 sold over here. A number of old British cars have the same starter BUT the armature
and the long shaft are not easily available. I did try a couple of years ago to get a new starter and according to the numbers on
the barrel, it was still available but I then found parts to repair mine locally.

Thanks for the serial number, I will add it to the list. We found seven more in Denmark recently.If you can get me the engine
number which is behind the coil on a flat spot on the block that will help tie things together. It starts FPL and ends in E. All
the cast parts have codes on them like the picture, these will get you to within a few days of manufacture.
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(quoted from post at 01:41:36 02/15/16) bhe at btconnect.com or at www.fordsontractorpages.nl. Having asked around, we all agree that the front plate, barrel, coils and
rear plate are the same as the TE 20 and M-F35 sold over here. A number of old British cars have the same starter BUT the armature
and the long shaft are not easily available. I did try a couple of years ago to get a new starter and according to the numbers on
the barrel, it was still available but I then found parts to repair mine locally.

Thanks for the serial number, I will add it to the list. We found seven more in Denmark recently.If you can get me the engine
number which is behind the coil on a flat spot on the block that will help tie things together. It starts FPL and ends in E. All
the cast parts have codes on them like the picture, these will get you to within a few days of manufacture.
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I will be glad to get you the rest of the numbers. It was cold and blustery here this weekend and I didn't venture out to get them. Thanks again.
 
Try agriline http://www.agrilineproducts.com $109 pounds for new one, exchange rate today $1.45 for the dollar

thinking about ordering one myself

http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/Silver_Johnny/media/P2121001_zpsa2nfbp3f.jpg.html
 
Here is a picture from the parts list, The tail shaft where the bendix fits is as long as the barrel of the starter. That is why the M-F one and others will not fit. One suggestion is to see if the shaft can be pushed out and installed in an M-F starter.
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I found this on ebay, but I think it is the short shaft starter. Does anyone smarter than me know for sure.

Thanks.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/281140195531?euid=e1842bd0b6934ed4b0d9c0504de99266&cp=1
 
(quoted from post at 11:09:44 02/15/16) Is that for diesel or gas are they different? Do anybody know?

I am looking for gas parts. The guy on eBay says the starter is for a gas tractor. Not sure if he knows what he is talking about.
 
http://www.ebay.com/itm/STARTER-MOTOR-LUCAS-25038-MASSEY-FERGUSON-/140452531364


135 gas?


https://search.yahoo.com/yhs/search?p=25038+Lucas+Starter&ei=UTF-8&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001
 
(quoted from post at 11:33:53 02/15/16) https://www.madisontractor.com/25038-starter-lucas.html

it says crosses to dexta gas

I bought the starter. If it doesn't fit I guess I have wasted a hundred dollars on more foolish things. :D
 

When you say the starter is reversed, do you mean it mounts from the back of the clutch housing?
It seems to me all engines spin the same way, (except Citroens), so a "reversed" starter must be
mounted with the bendix facing forward.?
 
(quoted from post at 00:39:38 02/16/16) That is not a petrol Dexta starter, the barrel and motor will be the same but the Bendix shaft is way too short.

My hope is that if this starter doesn't fit (and I agree it won't) that I can take parts off the one I bought and repair my old one. My problem is I can't figure out how to get the drive off the shaft. It appears that a pin needs to come out to remove it and I don't know how to remove the pin. Any suggestions? If there is a shop manual that gives instructions to rebuild this starter that would be excellent.

Thanks.

Also the weather is improving here, I should be able to venture out and get the rest of the casting numbers.
 
I've had two of the petrol Dextas. The starters are not reversed.
You may be referring to the Triumph starters, but all the pictures
I've seen show them mounted facing back just like the tractor.
They do use a "pull" type Bendix, if that is what you mean. Model
T Ford used the same principle.
 
(quoted from post at 07:42:31 02/16/16) I've had two of the petrol Dextas. The starters are not reversed.
You may be referring to the Triumph starters, but all the pictures
I've seen show them mounted facing back just like the tractor.
They do use a "pull" type Bendix, if that is what you mean. Model
T Ford used the same principle.

Thanks for.the info. It appears that the shaft length is the major.issue then as Majorman mentioned.
 

I got more numbers today. Going to have to get after the engine block with a wire brush to read that number. Here is what I have so far.

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JACKPOT !!!! I got my ebay starter today and it looks exactly like my old one. Thanks for all the help from everyone.
 
That is actually your stamped in Serial Number: 959-E86194.
That would be about 7 months into the 1961 production.
Until 1962, they used the same series of numbers. Then
they started a new system.

The Petrol started with the same prefix as the diesels, 957,
but then Petrol changed to 959. With the old prefix,
based on my sample of one, there is an M stamped below
the number which I take to mean "Modified", since the Petrol
had different fuel tanks, battery located at the back of the
left side running board, longer cables, different dash and
tachometer. Just cosmetic changes, but needed. On the front,
you had to have longer radius arms and steering rods. Different
wiring harness. The hood has an extension welded to the original.
10cm stretch, I think.
 
(quoted from post at 23:13:34 02/21/16)
(quoted from post at 08:23:22 02/21/16) That is really lucky! Have you done the lottery numbers this week?

I think i should. Lol I have been searching for a solution for 3 years.

I had a feeling that was the same starter a little birdie told me! :lol:
 

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