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Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel

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AL B

06-20-2008 11:31:41
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I am looking to locate a replacment motor that bolted up to a ITT Marlow irrigation pump . Mine threw a conn. rod and has a unique connection ( a short lip ) where the lower block/oil pan mates with the bellhousing that mates with the pump casing.

The I. D. plate my motor has reads made in the U.S.A. by Ford motor but painted on the valve cover ( most likely by a formar mechanic ) it reads made in England .

If possible I would like to find out what other applications the industrial engine I have was used in so that I could expand my scarch.

I think this is a D-4 ? engine it's a 220 c.i.d. Ford Industrial Engine heavy duty , serial number 541608 - A23KR , Type C3PX- 6006-B , Options S0 00 B

Anyone have any info as to what other uses this engine had besides running a irrigation pump ? I'd like to fin a good used one for replacment or make 1 good one out of 2 engines.

Thanks , AL

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AL B

07-01-2008 21:47:39
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
cdmn , it looks like that 6 cyl Dagenham engine has the same bolt pattern as my 4 cyl. 220 cu. in. Mine has the line up pins at 3 and 9 O"clock and has 7 bolt holes above those pins and 8 bolt holes below the pins. Bolt holes are not spaced out equal . That match up with your 6 ?



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AL B

06-30-2008 21:38:33
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Question for cdmn , on those 6 cyl. engines in the photo you posted does the bell housing to engine block have 15 bolts plus line up pins at 3 and 9 o'clock ? ( 7 bolts above the line up pins and 8 bolts below, and the boltboles are NOT all evenly spaced ) Thats what mine has and the bottom of of the bell housing is rounded while the top is not quite round . Also where about are you located .

Thanks , AL

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cdmn

07-01-2008 14:34:46
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-30-2008 21:38:33  

Those engines were at an auction in Climax MN. Don't know who got them. Might be recycled by now. The only engine I have is a Dagenham 330 six, from about 1962. There is nothing more worthless than an old combine, so I don't think many are saved from salvage. There's a guy who comes to the threshing show at Almelund, near Minneapolis with a Fordson major with a combine engine installed.

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cdmn

07-01-2008 14:47:05
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to cdmn, 07-01-2008 14:34:46  

This shows a six cylinder in a Fordson Major



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AL B

06-28-2008 20:15:12
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Bill_S and CDMN , thanks for your input also . Bill , I sent an add into Uncle Henry"s last week it"s in this weeks book but next weeks addition will have a bit more info in my add as I added that this diesel was also in the older Holman- Howden air compressors.

You know I tried putting the same wanted add in 2 different subject listings ( conruction tools & access , plus in Farm & garden (farm) and they only let you do the add in 1 listing so I"ll have to alternate every other week.

On Monday I plan to ride up to the tractor place where they pulled my engine off the pump and I"ll take photo"s of the engine and measurments of the bolt pattern on the bellhousing.

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Bill_S

06-27-2008 07:43:16
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Since you're in southern Maine I'll add that Northeast Ford in Gloucester, MA. was (maybe still is) a dealer (maybe distributor) of Ford industrial engines going back lots of years. An awful lot of Ford diesels were used after marine conversion is lobster boats etc. in the northeast and Canada. Often the ones I saw were the Dorset 380 CI. models but some were 4 cyl also as well as the earlier Dagenham engines. I'd suggest you put a wanted ad or two into Uncle Henrys (surely you know that weekly advertiser, I miss it here in Delaware). It can be viewed on the web but contact info is limited to subscribers. Also, Nissan Bakery had some step vans years ago with 4 cyl Dorset engines, I have one of those here in the yard. Then if all else fails you can go to any industrial diesel engine with equal or greater performance curves, just be sure the bellhousing is the needed sae bolt circle if your set-up uses the bellhousing. Hope all this helps. Bill

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AL B

06-24-2008 18:17:15
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Here is an update on my Ford Industrial 4 cyl. diesel engine . This same engine was put in the Holman Howden air compressors as I located one and they are the same engine BUT the owner won"t sell it.

On the compressor tag it reads 1141 , 1091 not sure what those numbers were for but at least I can search for that name compressor and open a new area to locate a replacement engine.

Now I just did a Holman Howden compressor search on the net and got directed to this site again but under tool talk discussion board , started by a J. Priest back in March 2006, that was pretty cool .

Anyway I will do a new discussion foreum under the Ford section.

Now if I can just locate a good used engine with a bad compressor unit ....

I"m located in the southern part of Maine and still hunting for a engine for my ITT Marlow Irrigation pump ... powered by that Ford 4 cyl. Industrial Diesel heavy duty 220. cu. in. engine .

Thanks for looking.

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cdmn

06-26-2008 19:45:40
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-24-2008 18:17:15  

I'm pretty sure that the New Holland combine engines (Blue) will bolt to the same bell-housing. However they are 6 cyl inline.



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hector gemme

06-22-2008 13:59:04
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
I found a part number on valve cover 703F6582AAA

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AL B

06-21-2008 19:58:28
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Today I got a chance to view a fordson major tractor 4 cylinder diesel( about a half hours drive from here ) and the tractors engine is different from my industrial ford engine , smaller and set up is not the same .

I think I'll have to look only on the industrial applications . Someone mentioned to me Ford had also put that industrial diesel enging in large air compressors back in that time frame so I'll have to look into antique compressors . Thanks .

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noncompos

06-21-2008 23:04:51
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-21-2008 19:58:28  
Just looked up the post re" Fordson major---are you sure you looked at the right one?? (the listings look confusing)...
That Clevite catalog shows Dagenham Diesel 220"s (1952-66) in the following Fordsons:
County Crawler;
Fordson Major;
Major;
IT"S NOT IN the Major 4000, 5000, 7000, 8000, 8600, 9000, 9600;
New Major;
Power Major;
Super 4 (which also has a 256 engine); (NOT the Super 6 or the Super Dextra 3000);
Super Major; (NOT the Super Major 5000);
U12;
U14;
Models 12,14,72 and 96. (no yrs shown for any).
Bearing data looks the same (Ford Products section and Fordson section) but Fordson section gives rod forging #"s DDN-6200-B, DDN-6205-B and E1ADDN-6205. With sympathy, Bud

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Mike Farmer

06-21-2008 00:29:13
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Sorry can't help with your problem but for general information yes Dagenham is an English location. The fordson factory at Dagenham opened in the late 30's when all fordson production was moved there from Cork in Republic of Ireland. All the model N's were made ther plus all E27N's all FMD, and so on. the engine foundry was also there. Its on the river Thames Estuary just East of London. MTF



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tiresntracks

06-20-2008 22:18:34
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
It sounds like its a 220 Dagenham Diesel. If it is, it should be the same as a Fordson Major engine. Do you have any pictures of it that you could post here?



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AL B

06-20-2008 20:38:48
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Thanks , Hector & Noncompos . I would of had a casting number but thats where the conn. rod blew out so I only have a few numbers.



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noncompos

06-20-2008 20:16:47
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  
Wellll...trying to ID a Ford engine without some official records is like trying to pick one snowflake out of a blizzard, BUT, FWIW, per a 93 Clevite bearing catalog: Under "Ford Ind'l Engines" is an "X" model Power Unit 220 Diesel, bearings in the "Truck" section (it's the only 220 listed); Under "Ford Products" there's only one 4cyl 220 diesel, listed as "220 Dagenham Diesel" (I think Dagenham is a Brit location). It's shown as 100mmx115mm for 1960-66, and there was apparently a 6cyl version, same b/s, the 330 Dagenham Diesel. Under Ford Trucks there's an F350 Dsl 1T and a P350 Dsl 1T, both with a 220 for 63-66; AND a 400 Series Dsl 1-11/2T and a 500 Series Dsl 1-11/2T
with a 220, both for 60-66... D----d if I know whether that's any help or not, or even your engine, but that's what it says...HTH.

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hector gemme

06-20-2008 14:31:26
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 Re: Ford Industrial Engine 4 cyl. Diesel in reply to AL B, 06-20-2008 11:31:41  

I have a FORD motor industriel diesel 4cyl.with a fuel pump MINIMEC and I get the serie number tomorrow and get back.

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