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Kenster

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Nearby 801 for sell. I don't know specifically which model of the 801 series. It looks really good except for some sheet metal damage on the hood. Is this metal fixable or available for replacement?

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Also curious about that exhaust pipe location at the front of the block? Is that common/Standard? Why would someone do that rather than running it under the tractor and out the back?
 
Looks to be a 841 model. You can check the flat on the trans left side, behind starter and find the model number and serial number. One you have the serial number you can go to the left column of this page and look under "Serial Numbers" and find the year of your machine. Also check the link below for some good info.

The sheet metal is available via parted out tractors, tractor salvage yards or I believer Dennis Dillon has them. This site carries some sheet metal. Someone here may have the parts you need.

The exhaust was either vertical or horizontal. Your tractor appears to have been well cared for. Have fun?
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I'd really like to have an 840/841. They are not abundant in Texas. There are a few very nice 640/641s around. The 600s would be a nice step up from my 8N. An 800 would be awesome but maybe a little more power than I need. Looking for something to maintain a very thick, healthy seven acre meadow that only gets mowed three or four times a year. Sometimes, it's all it can do for my 8n to get through it, creeping along in first gear and bogging down often.
 
Good looking tractor, the exhaust is optional, some were ran
up and some ran under the belly, can be positioned anyway
you like. The sheet metal can be repaired, to get it right though
you need to remove it off tractor and hammer some of that out
or I guess you could take a short cut and lots of bondo.
 
That can be repaired fairly easy. I have a 641 and a 4 cylinder 4000 thats about the same as the 841. Extra power is nice. The 4000 handles a 6 ft cutter just fine.
 

And I've read here many times that the difference in power between the 8N and the 640/641 is significant even though the horsepower is only about five more for the 600s. I've been leaning toward a nearby 640 but this 8XX popped up yesterday and, other than the bashed lid, looks very nice. It's also considerably less $$$ than the 640. Like... a thousand bucks less. That's enough to make me overlook the cosmetic issue. I could take the hood to the local high school's auto mechanics shop and get it fixed up real nice for a donation to their club.
 
She's an 841. Nearly twice the tractor as is an 8N, but no live PTO.

New sheet metal is available from Dennis Carpenter but quite expensive.

Not being skilled at paint ant body work, I would look for good used sheet metal from a salvage yare but it could be repaired by one so skilled.

I would hold out for an 860 or 861 to get live PTO but these are not to hard to find in my area. Don't know about your area.

Dean
 
(quoted from post at 18:23:24 07/18/18) I'm not Dean but it looks like a 4 speed shifter, thus 841 I believe.

I can live with a 4 speed. That's what I'm used to.

I wonder if he's charging extra for that crystal door knob shifter.
 
In the hundred and '01 series, the model with a 4 speed transmission, 3 point lift and PTO had a 4 as the middle digit in the model number (640/641/740/741/840/841/940/941). The only PTO option available for the 4 speed models was trans driven (non-live) PTO. That one has a general purpose ag chassis, not a row crop, and it has the egg crate grill of the later Power Masters, so it is almost certainly an 841.

Depending on how perfect you want the sheet metal to be and how much time and effort you want to spend, you can buy new repops from Dennis Carpenter, or search salvage yards for good used, or you can remove it and tap it out with a ball peen hammer and repaint.
 
Side question. The tractor has a loader that comes with it, but is not currently attached. I have no need or desire for a loader. If the owner is agreeable to selling the tractor without the loader, how much less should I pay for the tractor, minus the loader.

Put another way, if He won't sell them separately and reduce the price accordingly, what could I sell a loader for?
 
in regards to the loader you need to ask the seller if he had it working. Hard to tell by photos but I but its never been on that tractor.
 
I caught a 4000 4 banger on fire when i was rolling hay, the hay caught fire from the exhaust running under the belly, I changed the pipe. We still call it Fireball today.
 
(quoted from post at 21:06:21 07/18/18) in regards to the loader you need to ask the seller if he had it working. Hard to tell by photos but I but its never been on that tractor.

I just asked him about that. He's never had it on tractor. To him, it's scrap metal. It's not priced into the asking price but I sure don't want it.
 
It's a 4 speed tractor you can see the rubber boot on the shifter. I saw one sell in Hutchinson Ks Saturday for $2800 nice tractor diesel motor overhauled 1 ago ran great paint a little faded but straight.
 
Not sure it's going to work out. He's not responding to emails and his Craigslist listing doesn't give any other way to contact him.

I've got a really nice 640 nearby as a back up. It'll certainly do the job, which is mostly just shredding the meadow. I'll go look at it tomorrow.
 
Since the 8xx owner can't be bothered to return calls or answer emails, I'm moving on. Top of my list right now is this 640:

Major restoration. (not a rattle can paint job.) New wiring, lines, etc. Torn down and painted inside and out. Seller restores classic cars, too. It's a real parade tractor. I'll be almost sorry to hook up a shredder to it but I need a work tractor. "Pretty" is nice but secondary. Still... There's pride of ownership, eh?




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Well, the above 640 didn't work out. Beautiful tractor but it didn't run worth a hoot. He's asking premium money - $4500 - but I'm not going to pay top dollar then take it home and have to work on it to get it to run properly. Or, more likely, have to pay someone else to do it. He'd have to come WAY down to make it worth the hassle.

Spotted a 661 with a loader on the way home. I stopped for a look. It fired right up and ran very smoothly. Couldn't quite figure out what to do with the fancy transmission. Five speed but you pull the stick up and down to get it into hi and low gears. I have absolutely no use for a loader and, with no power steering, it was a bit difficult to drive. The tires must have been original because they were so rotted I'm surprised they held air. The sheet metal was held together with bondo. Asking price was great: $2500, but not for me.

However, the owner of the 841 originally mentioned in the top post called me today. I'm going to go see it soon. He's done a lot of fix ups: new plugs, wires, PTO shaft, battery, etc. He says it runs great. He's been using it to mow around his property. He 'inherited' the tractor when he bought the property several months ago but already has big, fancy imported tractor. He's asking $3500 including a very good shredder. That's getting more in the ballpark if it runs as good as he says it does.

Stay tuned.
 
I'll offer the observation that the 5 speed and live PTO on the 661 makes it a lot more tractor than the 641 you're going to look at - the loader could be removed and might possibly have some value, depending on the model - with the loader off the steering will be fine - a new set of tires all around will be ~$1500, so that is a consideration for sure -I learned to drive tractor as a youth with a Farmall Cub and belly mower and learned the work arounds to live with transmission driven PTO, since I've been buying my own tractors I've avoided that single stage clutch and will never go back

PS: it might be possible the '661' could be a '651', 5 speed with transmission driven PTO, so if you should take another look at it, check the number carefully and check the clutch/transmission/PTO action - don't be scared of the shifter, it's not that hard to get figured out and the extra gear is a nice feature
 

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