Ford 4630 Hydraulics help

Hi guys, posted this question on another forum and was directed here with the hopes that someone here may have some good advice!

We (the company I work for) have a 91 Ford 4630 that I'm trying to sort out a mostly annoying issue on.
The tractor has a Ford 7209 FEL.
Double spool remote selector under the seat, with two sets of rear hydraulic ports.
The FEL is connected to one set of those ports, The other is empty.

Issue is, I can only use either the 3pt lift OR the FEL, depending on the selection of the remote. Id like to change this so that the 3pt and FEL can be used at the same time without having to reach down and switch back and forth on the selector.

Obviously we wont be moving control levers for both at the exact same time, but quite often we need to be able to operate the FEL, then the 3pt, and back again.
Second issue with having the FEL connected to the remote selector is the pressure feedback from the FEL occasionally kicks the remote selector back to center position. So trying to lift or tilt the bucket, then all of a sudden it just stops moving, have to reach down and push the selector lever back into position.
From what I understand its normal for the selector to operate this way. What I don't understand is why the FEL is hooked to the selector, rather than having is own supply separate from the remote selectors?

We have another older ford tractor that has a Woods FEL, single spool selector and singe set of rear hydraulic ports. And that tractor we can use the FEL and 3pt at the same time no problem. So I know its possible to have them work like this. I just don't know how to achieve that on or bigger tractor.

The only major difference I can see between the two is that the older tractor has a block of some sort under the remote selector. The hoses for the FEL on that one are connected to the block. I'll try to post up a picture of it soon. I think I need another of those blocks to make this work properly, I just have no clue what its called and can't find anything like it in NH/Ford parts diagrams.


In case anyone is wondering, I'm replacing the control valve for the FEL, and the supply/return lines for it, which is why I'd like to sort out the selector issue while I have things apart.

Thanks for any help!

Issue #1: If the control valve is mounted under the seat (as opposed to behind the seat), you'll never get the FEL and 3-point to operate at
the same time. That's the nature of the beast.

Issue #2: Completely normal. Most people use a bungie cord to tie the handle back when using the FEL.

The reason why the FEL doesn't have its own supply is all about $$. It's a lot cheaper and easier to feed the FEL valve from an existing
remote than it is to purchase a separate tapping manifold, plus convert the FEL valve to power beyond.

(quoted from post at 16:46:23 06/22/18) Issue #1: If the control valve is mounted under the seat (as opposed to behind the seat), you'll never get the FEL and 3-point to operate at
the same time. That's the nature of the beast.

Issue #2: Completely normal. Most people use a bungie cord to tie the handle back when using the FEL.

The reason why the FEL doesn't have its own supply is all about $$. It's a lot cheaper and easier to feed the FEL valve from an existing
remote than it is to purchase a separate tapping manifold, plus convert the FEL valve to power beyond.

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The control valve for the FEL is mounted to a bracket on the FEL frame. As far as I can tell this is the exact one: https://www.amazon.com/Prince-RD522GCGA5A4B6-Directional-Control-Monoblock/dp/B005P1ED3O

The remote selector is under/in front of the seat.

We do use a bungee to hold the selector in place, and that works until you need to reach down and unbungee it so you can work the 3pt lift. Then move the selector again to use the FEL. This is what I'd like to eliminate.

The existing control valve for the FEL does have a power beyond outlet, it just has a plug installed. The new control valve will have the same, (its the exact same valve as far as I can tell) so that's an option, but I'm just not sure how to plumb that.

Google HV4902 adapter plate, that's what you need.
It works on all Ford tractors that don't have the dual hydraulic pumps.

Some photos here.
First is the block that's on our smaller tractor. The lines that come from that block under the remote valve go directly to the FEL. That FEL works at the same time as the 3pt. This is what I'd like to find for the 4630, I just don't know what that block is called, and there are no identifying numbers or lettering on the sides that I can see. Any help on that?




Second is the FEL control valve on the 4630. The large plug on the side is for the power beyond.


Third, the dual remote selector on the 4630. The lines closest in the pic are connected to the FEL.

HV4902 adapter is whats on the older tractor and will fit on your 4630.

I agree but for other readers the tapping manifold will not work on 30 series 3 cylinder Fords with the auxiliary engine driven hydraulic pump
and deluxe remote valves. The OP doesn?t have these options.

That loader valve does in fact look like it's made by Prince. Be advised that if you wish to convert it to power beyond, that you'll need to
get a special sleeve to stick in the existing port. If you simply put a fitting on the valve in place of the existing plug, your downstream
function will not work.

(quoted from post at 18:04:07 06/22/18)
HV4902 adapter is whats on the older tractor and will fit on your 4630.

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Thanks for that! I looked into that one and it seems the ports on that one are a bit small with only 3/8 NPT thread.
The FEL has 1/2" supply hoses.
There's another kit HV5902 that has larger ports. I'm thinking that would provide better hydraulic flow. Any reason not to go with the 5902 kit?



As for the Power beyond, I shouldn't need to hook anything up to that.

Actually that ones better, it has the 3/4" orb ports, makes positioning the fittings much easier.

Exactly what I was thinking. I have ordered the HV5902.
I should have that and the new joystick valve by the end of the week, and then get some fittings and new hoses for it from a local shop. I'll post an update when its all done and working. Big Thanks for the help!

Well I got it all installed yesterday and everything works the way it should! I need to pick up one more fitting adapter to re-route the pressure hose, but otherwise everything is good!

Some details and takeaways to hopefully help other people in the future:

I ordered an HV5902 Hydraulic adapter plate. Ended up ordering from ebay since the other online retailers I found didn't have any in stock. It came with several bolts, fittings, and O-rings, but no instructions. Looking up instructions online, they weren't very helpful. Looking at the plate to determine which ports I needed to connect to helped me the most. The pressure and return ports are fairly self explanatory. The Power beyond port was a source of some confusion, but it made more sense once I got things apart and could actually see where the fluid is routed in/through/out of the PB port. The PB port is a RETURN of hydraulic flow TO the remote selectors and then the 3pt.

For my setup I could make one of two connections with the return line from my loader valve. Either to the return port on the plate, or to the PB port. Either of these can be plugged, but plugging the PB port meant I will have no hydraulics downline of the loader due to the way the plate routes the fluid flow, which means I would have no remote, and no 3pt control. Connecting the return from the loader valve to the PB port supplies hydraulic flow to the remote valves, and then to the 3pt. The return port in the plate comes straight through from the remote valves, which means the outside port can be plugged. Which I did using the plug supplied with the kit.
If I had another accessory connected which required the use of power beyond circuit, then I would have to run the return from my loader valve to the return port on the plate, and the return from my PB device valve to the PB port on the plate. It's nice to have the option to add this in the future if necessary, but for now its not needed, the extra hose is not needed, and function of the hydraulics remains the same having the loader return connected to the PB port.

The T port on the plate goes straight into the pressure supply galley, and isn't mentioned in any instructions I found, but can certainly be used for a pressure gauge tap if wanted.

The rear hydraulics operate as normal (I did test them with a 3pt log splitter we have) but we probably wont even use them. The 3pt splitter is mostly a backup in case our portable splitter goes down for some reason. The hydraulics on this tractor dont flow quite enough to make it practical to use the 3pt splitter on a regular basis. And as its currently the only thing we have that uses the rear hydraulics on the tractor.

The 3pt lift now operates as normal without needing to operate the selectors, and the FEL operates as it should now with the new loader valve!
If for some reason we have something connected to the remote selectors, then its operation would take precedence over the 3pt lift, since that's how fluid flow is routed through the selector valves, but that's normal, and can be lived with considering we'll only use them on an occasional basis.


Pictures show the plate installed, and the new loader control valve installed, with all new hoses from tractor to valve, and valve to loader. There are still a dozen other hoses on the loader that I will replace eventually. Both of the lift cylinders have slow leaks and the hoses to those will get replaced when the cylinders are rebuilt.

Overall this project came in at just shy of $900. The hoses and fittings costing nearly as much as the loader valve, and the hydraulic plate just under $100 including the parts mentioned previously. I was able to shorten the supply hoses by about two feet, and shortened the valve to loader hoses from being 8 feet long to about 32" long, which cleans up alot of the clutter on the loader side. I'm waiting for one more fitting to come in to extend the supply hose out past the end of the plate and then will install the 90 degree fitting to turn it toward the rear of the tractor as it was intended to be, so its not in the way of the operators feet or the brake hold lever.

Big Thanks to everyone who helped!

Hi. I know this is an old post however I am hoping someone can help. I have just installed the HV5902 plate to run my loader valve. I got the plate installed ok and made sure all of the o-rings were correctly located however when I started the tractor I have noticed oil leaking from both on top and below the plate. Not a huge amount but enough to cause oil to run down the transmission case and drip on to the ground. Any advice greatly appreciated.

Two things
The kit doesn t include the square shouldered o-ring that fits in the recess in the lift top
I had to cut 1/2 inch off the bolts that came in the kit, they would bottom out in the holes just as they started to get tight

Thanks. I am also struggling to find the torque settings for the 4 bolts, my workshop manual doesnt list them. Do you remember what you torqued them down to?

I didn t torque them, I just snugged them down
Just use a torque chart for a common 7/16 bolt