TRACTION CONTROL What did Ford call it in 1939 ?

There was no such thing as traction control in 1939.

Harry Ferguson's revolutionary hydraulic control system for the innovative 9N tractor was simply called The Ferguson System.

That said, it is now more commonly called draft control.

Dean
 

Just sharing my research and info ....

The quote below is from article liked here in.

In 1936 the first production tractor incorporating the Ferguson System, (3-point hitch with automatic draft control), the Ferguson-Brown Type A and the first 3-point implements began production at David Brown’s facilities in Huddersfield, U.K. The Ferguson-Brown Type A led to the production of the Ford-Ferguson 9N in 1939 and subsequently the Ferguson TE and TO models.

https://www.farmcollector.com/bulletin-board/80th-anniversary-3-point-hitch-zb0z1604zhur
 

That is my question...

When the Ford 9N came out its TRACTION CONTROL was called the Ferguson System ?

I assumed that but cannot find any printed data to support our assumption.

Thanks for your help.
 
Draft control, as your quote states. Not traction control.
Although I can see how it would work as such, I didn't see
anything in that [b:27598a4a15]Article[/b:27598a4a15] that mentioned traction. Just "tractor".
 

OK ...... maybe I am confusing "DRAFT CONTROL" with depth control.

So was Fergusons Patent in 1926 and incorporated in practical application in 1936 tractor application called DRAFT CONTROL for depth control ONLY ? not traction control ?

If so I am back to my original question.
Which Ford tractor was the 1st to have "TRACTION CONTROL" and what did Ford call it ?

To further explain, I am looking for the traction control system NAME and Ford model TRACTOR it was first used on ? The system I am referring to automatically raises the hitch when it senses wheel spin, typically thru reduced load on the third point or the three point arms themselves.

Allis Chalmers calls thiers "TRACTION BOOST"
John Deere calls thiers "Load and depth Control"

I am not looking for depth control in this thread. I am looking for traction control and what did Ford call their system.
 
(quoted from post at 19:19:33 06/20/18)
That is my question...

When the Ford 9N came out its TRACTION CONTROL was called the Ferguson System ?

I assumed that but cannot find any printed data to support our assumption.

Thanks for your help.

No, the "Ferguson System" was the 3 pint lift system with draft control. It had nothing to do with traction.

The only traction control back then was the separate rear brakes, so you could press on the brake pedal for the wheel that was slipping so the power would go to the wheel that wasn't spinning.

The first Ford tractors that had any kind of traction control were the 1965+ models that had a differential lock as an option.
 
o further explain, I am looking for the traction control system NAME and Ford model TRACTOR it was first used on ? The system I am referring to automatically raises the hitch when it senses wheel spin, typically thru reduced load on the third point or the three point arms themselves.

No Ford tractor that I am aware of has ever had a system that raised the hitch when it detected wheel spin. The Ferguson System (aka draft control) raised the hitch when too much "draft" force was sensed. Draft force is force felt by the plow in the rearward direction which in turn compresses the draft spring up at the top link which allowed the draft plunger to move inwards into the top cover and affect the control valve.

If the wheels were to actually spin before the draft sense system kicked in the wheels would spin forever without the hitch raising at all. It required that the rear wheels have proper traction in order for it to work properly.
 
I believe you have something confused.

Wheel spin was always measured by the operator, not the tractor itself.

If one side spins, you step on the brake.

Was the 1000 series tractors the first that came with differential lock, a pedal you step on to lock the rear wheels together so both spin?

That's about it, both ways are controlled by the operator, not the tractor.

Paul
 
In view of your question and with all the replies, as emphasized, no such thing as 'traction control'. The Ford-Ferguson 3-Point Lift Hydraulic Draft Control system, first introduced on the Ferguson-Brown 1936 Type A Tractor, the unit Harry brought over to demonstrate to Henry Ford in November,1938, was never a 'traction control' unit. When Ford and Ferguson partnered up after that demonstration to develop the new 9N, Ford engineers improved on the Ferguson 3-pt design as it had some flaws. That term 'traction' is a misnomer. It was used by the author because he didn't understand the differences and tried to describe draft control as best he could. Ignore it. I don't know what JD and AC say; they didn't have draft control on their stuff yet. Years after the Ford-Ferguson patent copyrights ran out they began incorporating the draft control 3-point lift system as did most every other tractor manufacturer. Harold Brock was Ford Tractor chief engineer at Ford from 39-59, then quit over the SOS fiasco and was hired by John Deere where he helped develop the 3-point on some of their best machines and made them the world leader in the tractor market -still today one of the tops. Today every tractor builder uses some sort of the 3-point system on their models.


TPD
 
Today every tractor builder uses some sort of the 3-point system on their models.

Yes, and some are position control only, some are draft control only, and some have both, selectable by the operator. On some, but not all, that only have one or the other stock, the other can be added on for a price.
 

Although you've asked this question in most every brand section the truth of the matter is none of them had traction control in the manner that your asking.

Every other brand copied or built their own version of the Ferguson System that sensed the load on the three point hitch.
Ford called it Draft Control, when the load became more than a preset amount the lift system would automatically raise the implement some to lessen the load before the tractor lost traction, when the load became lighter it would allow the implement to lower down to a deeper depth.
Once traction was lost there was no automatic traction control system on any tractor that would help it to regain traction.
Once the tractor lost traction the operator had the raise the implement, apply the deferential lock, apply the brake on the spinning tire to transfer torque to the none spinning tire.
 
(quoted from post at 19:19:33 06/20/18)
That is my question...

When the Ford 9N came out its TRACTION CONTROL was called the Ferguson System ?

I assumed that but cannot find any printed data to support our assumption.

Thanks for your help.

This discussion has digressed into a semantic argument. The Ferguson draft control system could be viewed as a means of automatic traction control since that is in fact the problem it was designed to address. It operates by sensing the pull on the 3pt implement and raises or lowers the depth of the implements's ground engagement to keep that pull constant as the tractor traverses areas of varying soil conditions.

This allows the operator to set the engagement depth of the implement to a "maximum" level the tractor can generally pull without losing traction and as areas of ground conditions become more difficult and the pull needed to maintain that depth increases the depth is automagically reduced [u:eb6343d415][color=red:eb6343d415]to prevent loss of wheel traction[/color:eb6343d415][/u:eb6343d415]. When the ground conditions lighten and the draft required is lessened the depth is automagically increased to the preset depth chosen by the operator. So it is in fact a traction control system of sorts.

There are many other types of traction control used on agricultural tractors - most notably differential locks that prevent loss of traction on one wheel from stalling the tractor.

TOH
 
Agreed, TOH.

The Ferguson system enabled a small, light tractor to pull a plow that it could not otherwise pull without added ballast.

Folks can call it whatever they like but the system did help to prevent spinning out under heavy drawbar load. Moreover, lifting the plow under heavy load provided momentary downforce on the drawbar, thereby increasing traction.

This discussion reminds me of other discussions where folks distinguish between so-called "power assist" steering and so-called "power" (without the modifier assist) steering. Back in the day, all (OK, maybe nearly all) power steering systems utilized slave "assist" cylinders but the cars still said "Power Steering" on the brake pedal cover, the window sticker, and in the sales brochures.

Dean
 

Hey Fellas I really appreciate the feedback...

The main reason for my thread is because I am collecting information on all BRANDS and the "Date and Model" when each brand first incorporated "TRACTION CONTROL".... Allis Chalmers, Case, Cockshutt, Farmall, Ford, Minneapolis Moline, Oliver, ETC.
Named alphabetically so as not to offend.

To clarify "TRACTION CONTROL" is an automatic system to raise the rear hitch to increase traction. Every brand has its own name for it.
EXP: Allis Chalmers has "Traction Boost" which I believe is the best LITERAL words explaining it.

To many replies focused around the LITERAL words TRACTION CONTROL.... I agree no brand calls their system TRACTION CONTROL but that is exactly what they do. They automatically control traction or wheel slippage by lifting the rear hitch. And I now better understanding the sensing systems that cause the lift. A big spring connected to a hydraulic valve via third point or the three point arms. :)

So, I apologize if I seemed like I was being thick headed on the subject...... In contrast it was just the opposite, I was reading and learning and researching as feedbacks were posted.
In conclusion I followed most everyone's points and appreciate the examples, explanations and information.

You Guys are a great group of people.
Thanks again for your help...
 
Semantics are important.
Traction is a function of how much "bite" a
tire has and that bite is primarily a
formula of weight/squ " of tire, soil
condition, tread shape and depth and the
number of tires pulling - none of which an
operator has much "control" over except to
engage the tractor's fwa or diff lock.
We all know the virtue of a mounted plow is
that it adds significant weight to the rear
tires while plowing and thereby increases
traction.
The semantics part comes when a guy adjusts
the depth of cut by raising or lowering his
mounted plow. He does not say he is
increasing or decreasing his traction. He
says he is increasing or decreasing the
draft.
That's why the OP got the answers he did.
 
Seen that too.

Still, those with power steering still said power steering on the window sticker, sales brochure, and perhaps the steering wheel.

Don't remember seeing any car sales brochures saying power assist steering.

Dean
 

Here is a video that will help explain the advantages of TRACTION CONTROL.

It is much more than a formula of sq/in x Lbs. for pulling ability.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36CUlZ0Ypl0&app=desktop

6:25 min to 7:40 min into the video shows a 25% increase in distance plowed using the same tractor and plow combination, with and without the traction control system engaged. All other factors equal. 25% more distance plowed with the same amount of fuel. That should get everyone's attention.

I might add that this function is only available when using mounted tillage equipment that can be set into the ground. Like a plow, disc or cultivators so as the weight of the equipment can momentarily be transferred to the rear of the tractor.

In conclusion Farmall did name their original system on late model 400's "2 point with traction control" but the OP did not want to bring BRAND into the original discussion.

Once again this has been a fun thread to research.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36CUlZ0Ypl0&app=desktop
 
You may call it traction control if you
wish.
But I suspect around here if you do you'll
have everyone scratching their heads and
wondering what youre talking about.
 
John Deere 801 3 point hitch with Traction-Trol

http://public.fotki.com/deanvp/hitches/jd/800_series-1/801/801_data_sheet/11-2-1-300.html
 
(quoted from post at 20:16:27 06/20/18)
No Ford tractor that I am aware of has ever had a system that raised the hitch when it detected wheel spin.

Looks like some research is in order Sean. I have a tractor that has such a thing. You may say it isn't a Ford, but it was designed by Ford. It's called a Genesis tractor and the option is called a slip limiter. One can adjust the allowable wheel slip before it starts to raise the 3 point.
 

Sean did a great job explain the Ford Draft control system. And he was explaining it in reference to the antique or first vintage Ford tractors that had traction enhancement systems.

I was NOT searching for new generation tractors with "TRUE" traction control thru computer monitored and power distribution controlled limited slip.

Thanks for your input
 
(quoted from post at 23:17:52 06/21/18)
Sean did a great job explain the Ford Draft control system. And he was explaining it in reference to the antique or first vintage Ford tractors that had traction enhancement systems.

I was NOT searching for new generation tractors with "TRUE" traction control thru computer monitored and power distribution controlled limited slip.

Thanks for your input

Perhaps you better read Sean's statement again. I'm telling him . . . and you that there is Ford tractor that has such a thing. That's what you asked! If you didn't want to know about tractors other than those from a certain time frame [b:8f6172fb58]YOU SHOULD HAVE SAID SO![/b:8f6172fb58]
 
Larry,

I wasn't aware of that system on those "newer" Ford/New Holland tractors, but it looks like Bern mentioned either the same thing or something similar that actually used GPS to calculate the forward motion of the tractor and compare that to the rate of the wheels turning to detect if the wheels were slipping and would raise the lift if it detected wheel spin. That's pretty amazing.
 
(quoted from post at 23:06:17 06/22/18) Larry,

I wasn't aware of that system on those "newer" Ford/New Holland tractors, but it looks like Bern mentioned either the same thing or something similar that actually used GPS to calculate the forward motion of the tractor and compare that to the rate of the wheels turning to detect if the wheels were slipping and would raise the lift if it detected wheel spin. That's pretty amazing.

Mine is radar equipped. It compares speed sensor generated values to radar generated speed values to determine slip. Bear in mind, it is 20 years old now. I have no doubts GPS could play a part in this game by now.
 
Mine is radar equipped. It compares speed sensor generated values to radar generated speed values to determine slip. Bear in mind, it is 20 years old now. I have no doubts GPS could play a part in this game by now.

I just went back and looked and his post said radar as well. My mind remembered it wrong is all. It's doing that more and more the older I get. :(
 
(quoted from post at 14:45:20 06/20/18)
Here is my original post:

#1 Doing some research on traction control systems.

What did Ford call it in 1939 ?

#2 When the Ford 9N came out its TRACTION CONTROL was called the Ferguson System ?

I assumed that but cannot find any printed data to support our assumption.

#3 OK ...... maybe I am confusing "DRAFT CONTROL" with depth control.

So was Fergusons Patent in 1926 and incorporated in practical application in 1936 tractor application called DRAFT CONTROL for depth control ONLY ? not traction control ?

If so I am back to my original question.
Which Ford tractor was the 1st to have "TRACTION CONTROL" and what did Ford call it ?

To further explain, I am looking for the traction control system NAME and Ford model TRACTOR it was first used on ? The system I am referring to automatically raises the hitch when it senses wheel spin, typically thru reduced load on the third point or the three point arms themselves.

Allis Chalmers calls theirs "TRACTION BOOST"
John Deere calls theirs "Load and depth Control"

I am not looking for depth control in this thread. I am looking for traction control and what did Ford call their system.

I believe I was very specific.

Thanks again for your help.

I appreciate your information on the newer generation tractors. I will save your info for another compilation....
 
You keep asking the same questions and getting the same answers.

Albert Einstein said "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results.”
 
(quoted from post at 16:12:22 06/23/18)
Not asking NOW, making a rebuttal....

Most of the last posts are not even replying to my original question....

that's too dang bad! I feel really sorry for you!
 
This thread looks dead now but here is my two cents.
Ferguson and Ford created a DRAFT CONTROL system for the new tractors as described here.
They patented their system. (actually Ferguson did and Ford got sued for using it if I remember correctly)
When IH and Deere and AC developed THE SAME THING, they could not call it DRAFT CONTROL or they would have gotten sued.
Therefor they called theirs TRACTION CONTROL.

True TRACTION CONTROL requires wheel spin data and draft data and that was NOT available in 1939.

People get all caught up in names, but sometimes the names are changed just to avoid a lawsuit.
HTH
Keith
 

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