Ford 725 Loader

SO I'm fairly new to the tractor world. I've driven a few growing up, and my dad has had a 3 cylinder 820 john deere for a couple years. But I recently bought an International 460 utility with a Ford 725 loader. I've had work done to the tractor and
bailing hay and planting corn with it went well. The loader was off for both of these task. However I put the loader on and its as if the loader doesn't have enough fluid to raise and lower it. IT will raise and lower, but very slowly. I found a manual and
it said to put hydraulic fluid directly into the loader. I have never heard of that. The manual said it would need about 9 gallons. I checked the filler cap, which is a small hole for filling hydraulic fluid i thought, and it was empty. That would be the
problem. My question is, am I actually suppose to put the hydraulic fluid directly into the loader? If so, what does the receiver feed, as i see no outside outlets on it going to any of the hydro lines. Thanks.

I don't understand the confusion. You remove the Breather/filler on the left post and add hydraulic oil that meets or exceeds Ford M2C41 specs to the full level which is 13.5" from the top.

From completely empty it holds about 9 gallons. You haven't said if it has an external pump mounted to the front or how the loader is plumbed to the tractor. The posts are where the fluid is stored.

If it has the front mounted pump I hope you weren't running it dry.

The line comes off the bottom from the filter on that post where the manual picture says "Drain Plug". The next page even shows the filter. There are hydraulic lines shown in the pictures too.

I'm not really familiar with either that model loader or tractor......

Since this is a mixed marriage, we don't know how it was all put together?

Does the loader use the tractor pump and hydraulics, or does it have its own pump running off yhe front or pto with resivor, and hyd controls?

The loader might have come with the resivoir, but it might be plumbed to use the tractor system. We don't know?

Paul

It is hooked up to the tractor through
remote hydraulics so I assume it is uaing
the resivor and pump from the tractor,
hence the confusion.

It has hydra control's that are connexted to the tractor hydraulic pump. Do i need to add more fluis to my tractor resivor if it is using that then?

I would say so, without seeing it.....


Then, someone can look up the hyd capacity and flow of your tractor, and see how that compares to what the Ford would have used for a pump.

Perhaps the tractor just has slow hydraulics, and you have what you have.

Paul

If it's raising completely with a load and doing so smoothly with no jerking, then lack of fluid is not the problem.

The speed of lifting is related to the flow rate of the fluid, not whether there's enough fluid or not.

According to the parts site, the 3 point hydraulic pump on that tractor only produces about 5.6 gallons per minute (gpm). For that loader you would want a pump with at least 12 or preferably 14 gpm output to run it at an acceptable speed. That's why most of them had a separate pump on the front of the tractor that ran off of a shaft from the crankshaft pulley and used a separate reservoir that was inside the frame of the loader itself. Since you are running it off of the 3 point hydraulics it will just be slow, no matter how much fluid you add.

You should fill the rear axle, which is also the hydraulic reservoir for the 3 point hydraulics, to the full level with all cylinders fully extended (loader lift cylinders, bucket curl cylinders and 3 point lift arm cylinder), but any more fluid than that is just a waste.

If it came from the factory with a cab, then there might be a dipstick on the left side for the rear axle fluid level, but if there's no dipstick, then the full level is determined by a hole on the right side of the rear axle center housing, which should have a square headed pipe plug. The fill hole is a large hex head plug directly under your right butt cheek when you're sitting on the tractor. Remove the level check plug and fill plug and fill it through the fill hole just until fluid drips out of the level check hole, make sure you extend all of the cylinders first.

Thanks, thats good info and exactly what I was looking for. IT doesn't jerk going up or down, its just noisy, and I had the pump out and looked at and the dealership ship said the pump was in good working order so I ruled the pump out. They didn't,
however, tell me it was too small for the loader. I extend it all the way out and do fluid check, but the lack of gpm is likely the problem as without the loader the tractor does everything i need it to in terms of mowing hay and bailing.