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Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat

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SOL

04-16-2018 11:43:39




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Hello all. Trying to service and evaluate the condition of a guess early 70's ford 5000. It has sat a lot since the mid 90's then was taken out and used a little 6 years ago and has since sat again. It is a one owner tractor so most likely not to molested. Shows 29xx for hours, tach works did not verify if the hour meter did as well. Started right up and the little diesel ran great. Drove it home and give it an oil change, shell rotella 15-40. After setting over night on cement it seems dry but the steering seemed wonky, lots of play, and it was all over the road. Shows a little low on fluid owner said they had to add to it.
Where should the proper fluid level on the power steering be?

I was thinking about changing the hydro oil and filter as well. It checks way over full, small dipstick left side of operators platform. It did appear clean. I know the tractor was kept inside most of its life, minus a few days loaned out in the last 6 years.
Suggestions on maintaining and inspection prior to being put back to use? The tractor belongs to a good friend it was his fathers and he has decided to sell it. I may be the future owner if it looks like a match to my needs. For now I am getting it field ready for brush hogging, and moving hay this summer. I will be the operator and surly do not want to damage this tractor or a friendship. Not familiar with ford tractors, somewhat familiar with tractors but want to be sure this is done right for obvious reasons. I have read hours on this thing and it just does not match everything I read. Seems the 5000 series ran many years with many changes. Can provide serial numbers tonight. Thank you very much for any light shed. SOL

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Sean in PA

04-17-2018 08:34:51




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
model E1014M - 5000 ag chassis model with diesel engine, independent 540 rpm PTO and 16x4 dual power transmission.

tractor number C456783 - This is a 1975 serial number

Unit 5B14B - Date code for when the tractor was assembled, which was February 14 (Valentines Day) 1975 during the day shift

The rest are date codes for the assembly of the various components.

Engine 5A10A - January 10 1975 midnight shift

Trans 4M02B - December 2 1974 day shift

Rear axle 5A02B - January 5 1975 day shift

Hyd pump 5A08A - January 8 1975 midnight shift

Hyd Lift 4L21A - November 21 1974 midnight shift

So it was made during the last year of production, which is generally a good thing in terms of Ford having worked out all of the kinks in the design over the production run.
It should have the later style steering with the cylinder integrated inside the steering column. The column probably needs to be taken apart and the seals replaced to fix that leak. I would probably replace everything in there, bearings, seals and o-rings if it were me rather than just the one seal that is leaking now.

As for the rear axle being over full and the transmission being too low, I thought that the rear end and transmission on a later dual power 5000 had a common sump for both, so I am at a loss for an explanation on that one.
On the cost of repairs, it depends on what's wrong with it and whether you plan to do the work yourself or pay someone else to do it.

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SOL

04-18-2018 08:46:07




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Sean in PA, 04-17-2018 08:34:51  
Thanks for all the help.. I am going to lower the finals oil level and add to the trans side use it and see what shshakes out. Keeping an eye on both levels of there is a problem it will show up. Still have a radiator to service and the charge light glows. Tapping on the regulator will get it to charge 13.4. So a little clean adjust.



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Shaun Wallace

04-16-2018 17:19:16




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
The late ones had filter on rite side. Thinkin was DP models. Check fig. 05B06 in CNH 5000.



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sunbeam

04-16-2018 16:29:18




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
If it is a all purpose there are bushings for the steering in the front bolster that usally don't get greased. They are not fun to change especially the bottom one.



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matt from oz

04-16-2018 15:23:16




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
Hi SOL

5000's are great tractors we have an earlier model here than what you have and other ford tractors as well. With the power steering the pump is on the left side of the motor just rear of the fan. It will I think have the reservoir to the back of the pump there will be a lid at about 11 o'clock as you look from the rear it is recommended to use same oil as what is in the motor and fill to about an inch of the cap. Hope that helps. 5's are great for hay work the sequential 8 speed box makes speed selection easy. Often thought synchro would have been an improvement. Regards Matt

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Bern

04-16-2018 13:46:42




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
As noted, there were a lot of running changes made to the 5000 over the 10-year span of its production. That said, if it has a spin-on filter under the seat, it has to be a later one (1971 or later).



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sunbeam

04-16-2018 16:24:23




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Bern, 04-16-2018 13:46:42  
Was the spin on filter only used on load monitor 5000 tractors?



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Johnofnewhaven

04-16-2018 15:03:48




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Bern, 04-16-2018 13:46:42  
Hey Bern I have a 1974 5000. It does not have a spin on filter under the seat. What would this be for? Hydraulics? Is it after market or an option?



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jsp5755

04-17-2018 08:24:42




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Johnofnewhaven, 04-16-2018 15:03:48  
We have two 5000. Both original. Numbers stamped on rear end match tag on hood on both. One is 1974, other 1975 as I recall given the production codes stamped on tractors. The first (74) has load monitor, does not have dual power and has a filter under the seat. The second (75) does not have load monitor, does not have dual power and it does not have filter under the seat. I once thought all late model 5000's had a hydraulic filter until we recently got this one (75).

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Bern

04-16-2018 17:36:35




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Johnofnewhaven, 04-16-2018 15:03:48  
This filter was factory, however I'm thinking it was only used with Dual Power, as Shaun suggested.

Here's the link to what it looked like:



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Greg NE

04-16-2018 21:31:45




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Bern, 04-16-2018 17:36:35  
Bern, For what's it worth, I have a 74 5000 that only has the load monitor and it has the filter. Never have been around one with dual power so have nothing to add about those. Greg NE



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Bern

04-17-2018 20:20:01




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Greg NE, 04-16-2018 21:31:45  
Somewhere in the bowels of my local NH dealership there is likely an old service bulletin from the early 1970s that describes the start date and specific usage of that filter system. For me though, it's not a question that keeps me awake at night.



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Johnofnewhaven

04-16-2018 17:39:13




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Bern, 04-16-2018 17:36:35  
Ok got it. That makes since. Thank you for the response.



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IanC

04-16-2018 13:23:13




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
Invest in an operators manual from this site, $29.95 well spent. Power steering filter probably hasn't been changed since new so that should be on your must do list.



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Destroked 450

04-16-2018 12:59:22




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to SOL, 04-16-2018 11:43:39  
There were a number of changes made to the 5000 during it's production run, engine, steering, ect.

List the model codes, date codes and serial number to help us have a better idea which model and year you have.



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SOL

04-17-2018 07:29:06




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 Re: Ford 5000 Spin on filter under seat in reply to Destroked 450, 04-16-2018 12:59:22  
Thanks all. We power washed off 45 years or so of grunge last night. added some fluid to the power steering. With the plate off at the column i could see fresh oil running down the right side from the steering box. No suprise, it was pretty greasy there so good indication of leaks of the past. One discovery made last night that scares me a bit. The dipstick on the operators left side behind foot shows over full, all the way to top of dipstick. When I pulled the add plug out by the shifter on the operators platform the transmission was almost dry some in the bottom but way below the check hole. My guess is the oil from the transmission side is making its way back to the differential side? I know on some tractors this is possible, meaning it would have to be split to replace the seal? The oil looks real good on both sides. Should I drain off the excess from the finals side and add to the trans side and see how long it takes to happen again. How tough is it to split one of these to make this fix. Guess on cost. I have never split a tractor but have lots of tools a pretty sound mechanical knowledge. It does have a draft control as well as dual power mentioned above by Bern and others. Also has a 727 loader that does not seem to leak or have any signs of breaks, welds, or bends.

Any help with repairs, rough cost of repairs, value of such a unit would be greatly appreciated. This belongs to a good friend of which it means a lot to him to know it goes to a good home. For me it has to be dependble long term tractor. It will be replacing a 1600 oliver diesel with hydro drive and koyker loader working on my 160 acre hobby farm. The oliver has lived and worked and grown with us over 11 years. It needs tires bad but still seems very dependable 4800 hours on a working tach. May consider keeping both as I truly love my oliver and all of my kids have grown up on it and learned to drive on it. I just fear clutch replacement from loader work and tires will run more than its worth. Thanks for your ears, patience and advice. I have lurked here for years but just had to many questions to lurk longer. SOL

Tag numbers. tractor number C456783 model E1014M Unit 5B14B Engine 5A10A Trans 4M02B Read axle 5A02B Hyd pump 5A08A Hyd Lift 4L21A

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