jr1983

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My FIL just gave me a 641. It has been neglected it several
years. Been sitting out on the hill for the six years I've been
around. Don't know how long before that. It has no front wheels
on it and appears to be sitting on a barrel. Rear tires are
rotted badly. It was purchased new by my wife's great
grandmother and is the only relic left of her farm so I'm going
to fix it weather its worth it or not. Hopefully it'll mean
something to my kids some day.(oldest is 3). Going into this is
there anything special to check or be aware of before I start
into this project? I am thinking I'll change all the fluids get
it started (assuming its not locked up) and go from there. We
will use it once its running so is this something that should be
made 12v? I asked some questions about the possibility of a
tiller and loader on here once before so I guess I'm going to
start looking for an under drive. I am also wondering what it
takes to put power steering on it. Thanks for the help
 
Power steering can be added... but it will probably cost you at least $1000 for the parts. If you're serious about putting a loader on it, you'll want power steering. Forget about using a rototiller behind it. An underdrive will also slow the pto, so it still won't work. If you could find one that fits between the transmission and rear end, (a Howard?) then you could use a tiller.
 
The research I did said the Howard under drive was heavily upgraded for the 600 series and works with a tiller. They are very rare but well built. Is this not accurate?
 
My 631 was laying in a barn with rotted tires rims from CalC in the same condition you described. Take your time and go slow. I put a one arm loader on mine for moving logs and hanging other thing. PS is nice but costly. Instead of tilling if going to be use in a garden consider a plow and disc harrow. Good luck with your new tractor. Glad to hear it was saved in the family.

Kirk

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A couple of thoughts:
Those tractors were made to pull a plow and disc. They do a real good job of creating a seed bed for hobby farming, wildlife plots and gardens that way. And if you have hard soil or a lot of rocks a plow and disc won't get busted up as quick as a tiller will.
As for the power steering and other items, it is often cheaper to buy a tractor that has those parts on it. Then rob the parts you need and resell it at a discount.
My 3000 started out as a plain jane tractor with 4 sp, non live pto, and no PS. Over the years since I bought it I've bought, sold and parted out several of these tractors. Now my tractor has 8 sp, lpto, ps and other good options on it and I have very little $ - if any - in those upgrades.
 
We have a couple 640s never felt like we needed power steering. My wife drives em all the time,never an issue. Didn't even think about a tiller. The tractor was made for a plow and disk. We honor the memory of where they come from. Maybe a fair cost just to get yours going,good luck. Ask questions on here ,good folks. Lots of knowledge
 
I would start with engine oil. Whether its locked up or not, I would put some mystery oil under the plugs for a few days to get those pistons happy. A proper "tiller" for that tractor would be a light duty spring tooth chisel plow. Try to start with all parts it has now, some older engine parts, points, carb, coil, are better than new.
LETS SEE SOME PICTS!
Good luck, always fun to bring one back to life.
 
(quoted from post at 09:32:08 11/12/17) I would start with engine oil. Whether its locked up or not, I would put some mystery oil under the plugs for a few days to get those pistons happy. A proper "tiller" for that tractor would be a light duty spring tooth chisel plow. Try to start with all parts it has now, some older engine parts, points, carb, coil, are better than new.
LETS SEE SOME PICTS!
Good luck, always fun to bring one back to life.
gree about the mystery oil but I use ATF. That is the first thing I do on any tractor of any size. Put a generous amount in the cylinders and let it continue to sit for a while.
 
Yes, that is right. The much more common underdrive (most often an over/under combo) is the Sherman. Since no brand was mentioned, I assumed that's the one you were talking about.
 
(quoted from post at 05:49:50 11/12/17) My 631 was laying in a barn with rotted tires rims from CalC in the same condition you described. Take your time and go slow. I put a one arm loader on mine for moving logs and hanging other thing. PS is nice but costly. Instead of tilling if going to be use in a garden consider a plow and disc harrow. Good luck with your new tractor. Glad to hear it was saved in the family.

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Geeez !!! that's beautiful Kirk
 
That's accurate, but for what you will pay for one you could buy a thousand series as a till tractor nowadays
 
If I can find a Howard I will get it but I have a guy wanting to trade me a two bottom dearborn 3pt for my two bottom trip ih. Sounds like that would be the way to go. How large a disk should it pull? Or should I be looking for another type of implement? I don't want to spend a lot on implements so Iwant to start looking now.
 
A couple of thoughts:
When I was a kid I spent half a summer on a Massey 35 Deluxe with a Howard rotovator tilling between the rows on a large berry farm. Good Lord but that was boring!
I use a Ford 101 2- 16" plow for my deer plots and my cousin's gardens and it is a heck of a lot more fun than that tiller was. Then i disc it with an 8' (4 gangs with 6 discs/gang) 3pt disc. A 6-7' (20 discs) would be suitable too.
It is a nice combo. My 3000 has a couple more ponies than your 641 but you could still pull about the same combo.
As for your friend's Dearborn plow, those were very good plows but some of the oldest ones are hard to find wear parts for anymore - if at all. A lot of them are missing parts too like the tail wheel and coulters.
If you could post a couple of photos of the plow we could id it and advise better.
Keep in mind that if you want to plow and disc you will need ballast on your rears. Either wheel weights or fluid.
Properly set up though these little Fords are awesome plowing machines.
 
hopefully you can get yours to look like this one,
nice looking tractors

I would start with this equipment list:
2-14" plow, 6ft wide disk, 2 row culitvator

also look for a Dearborn tiller, that is a 7 or 9 spring loaded shank plow,

your tractor will not have the proper low ground speed gear to run a conventional PTO powered spinning tiller, your tractor does not have independent PTO, just do not think you will be a happy camper.
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Lol the closest thing I have ever had to live PTO is a WD allis Chalmers. That won't bother me but overall the point has been made on this tractors suitability to a tiller. I think it'll make a good machine all the same. I don't have rocks here and will try to get a couple pics of the Dearborn plow next week. I am looking for a set of front wheels to get it home. Looks like a six bolt on six". Any suggestions on something else I could get them from? There are a couple scrap yards here. Nice looking tractor by the way.
 
Ford used that same bolt pattern on all their 6-lug front wheels... and it's the same pattern as most 6-lug wagon wheels, too. Pretty easy to find.
 

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