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Propane injector to help Hard Starting on Diesel Tractor

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arnie.henderson

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When I was in the Army we had Clark 4000 Lb Forklifts. They were equipped with manually operated Propane primer system. The operator pulled the lever and gave a shot of propane when he started cranking. Just like you would give a shot of Ether. It used regular propane torch cylinders.

I have a old Ford 4000 Backhoe that is in great shape except it is hard to start. Thinking about rigging a propane priming system on my backhoe.

Anybody ever done it or have suggestions. Opinions welcome to. Daddy always said if you are going to do something talk to somebody smarter than you are about it. I still wonder sometimes how he meant that?????
 
Either propane or a gasoline soaked rag held over the air inlet would be a much less damaging alternative than ether.

Dean
 
(quoted from post at 15:49:46 10/20/17) Either propane or a gasoline soaked rag held over the air inlet would be a much less damaging alternative than ether.

Dean
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too am a propane fan.
 
A block heater would do more good than propane.

I own three diesels. Two have either injection with a block heater. They have never not started if the batteries were up. The IH I have owned for 29 years. Most times will start with just the heater. Really cold weather the IH needs both heat and either The John Deere has to have both heat and either to start. I have owned it for 33 years.

My third tractor has a manifold heater. This does not work well. The heater drains the batteries and then the starter can't spin the engine. I use either on this tractor. Just one tiny shot and it fires right off. I have owned this tractor for 43 years. Using either has not hurt any of my tractors.

Buy a block heater and a can of either.

I know there will be nay sayers that think either is bad. I have never damaged an engine with either. I know dozens and dozens of farmers with diesel engines that use either. I do not know anyone that has ever had trouble using either.
 
Are you sure it was propane? Some trucks and tractors ether systems use a bottle that looks like the propane ones. Still available at NAPA.
 
(quoted from post at 12:49:46 10/20/17) Either propane or a gasoline soaked rag held over the air inlet would be a much less damaging alternative than ether.

Dean
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I used gasoline on an old stocking . the engine started and part of the stocking shot out exhaust
Ether starts well but combustion pressures are high Tried it on a Briggs and saw vapor shoot out from under the head...but it ran normally.
Propane should work well, easy to find screw top bottles for plumbing it in and it should be less hazardous than ether.
Note that there is diethyl ether the anasthetic and there is petroleum ether they are not at all the same but boyh should work to start an engine.
Never use acetylene because it is explosive in a wide range of gas concentrations.
 
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(quoted from post at 12:49:46 10/20/17) Either propane or a gasoline soaked rag held over the air inlet would be a much less damaging alternative than ether.

Dean
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I used gasoline on an old stocking . the engine started and part of the stocking shot out exhaust
Ether starts well but combustion pressures are high Tried it on a Briggs and saw vapor shoot out from under the head...but it ran normally.
Propane should work well, easy to find screw top bottles for plumbing it in and it should be less hazardous than ether.
Note that there is diethyl ether the anasthetic and there is petroleum ether they are not at all the same but boyh should work to start an engine.
Never use acetylene because it is explosive in a wide range of gas concentrations.
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My diesel tractor an international 484 starts so well that I never considered diesel starting to ever be an issue.
 
(quoted from post at 19:58:22 09/26/21)
(quoted from post at 12:49:46 10/20/17) Either propane or a gasoline soaked rag held over the air inlet would be a much less damaging alternative than ether.

Dean
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I used gasoline on an old stocking . the engine started and part of the stocking shot out exhaust
Ether starts well but combustion pressures are high Tried it on a Briggs and saw vapor shoot out from under the head...but it ran normally.
Propane should work well, easy to find screw top bottles for plumbing it in and it should be less hazardous than ether.
Note that there is diethyl ether the anasthetic and there is petroleum ether they are not at all the same but boyh should work to start an engine.
Never use acetylene because it is explosive in a wide range of gas concentrations.
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My diesel tractor an international 484 starts so well that I never considered diesel starting to ever be an issue. It does have ether available for starting so I pushed the button once to see what it did (it started with a rating sound)but it has never been needed in 40 years.
 
(quoted from post at 17:21:46 10/30/17) Are you sure it was propane? Some trucks and tractors ether systems use a bottle that looks like the propane ones. Still available at NAPA.
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Yes Joe, My 2003 IH 5900i had ether injection. A can under the hood that looked just like a propane cylinder and a button on the dash. You had to have it rolling good before pushing the button or it would lock it up for twenty minutes.
 
I worked industrial construction and most of the old cranes had a propane bottle for starting in the winter. The contractor would lose a lot of money if the crane wouldn't start.
 
(quoted from post at 04:08:04 09/28/21) I worked industrial construction and most of the old cranes had a propane bottle for starting in the winter. The contractor would lose a lot of money if the crane wouldn't start.
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While there MAY be exceptions I think most of you have simply mistaken an ether injector with a "bottle" that looks like a propane bottle.

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