Help me find this grille please!

myfirstford

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Can someone help me find this front grille off my Ford 3000.

I drug this tractor out of the woods a couple of weeks ago. I believe its a 66 after looking over the serial numbers. Gave a guy $1800 for it. It runs like a top. Changed all fluids, new battery and cables. Now I would like to begin cleaning it up and fixing some of the cosmetics on it. This grille is one part I am having trouble finding. Is this original for this tractor? I can find it with that style logo but with no headlight openings. I can also find it with the headlight openings but with a different Ford logo.

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Photobucket now officially sucks so your picture did not show up.
A 66 would have the early, wrap around style grill like the one at the
link below. I see them for sale on ebay for varying amounts. They are
china made so will need a bit of tweaking to fit properly but look good
once installed.
Click here
 
(quoted from post at 14:32:43 09/25/17) Photobucket now officially sucks so your picture did not show up.
A 66 would have the early, wrap around style grill like the one at the
link below. I see them for sale on ebay for varying amounts. They are
china made so will need a bit of tweaking to fit properly but look good
once installed.
Click here

OK see if this works better. I was told the tractor was a 74 by the guy I bought it from so I could be reading the serial numbers wrong.

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That is not a 3000 grill. The 3000 had a few different styles over the years it was produced, both with and without the inset headlights (the inset headlights were on the ones made at the European factories), but the 3000 always had a two piece grill, with the upper section having the F O R D logo on it. The one piece grill like in your photo wasn't used until the 2600/3600/4600 series that came after the 3 cylinder thousand series.

The part number for that style grill with the inset holes for the headlights is D5NN8200C. If you do a Google search on that part number you will find a number of aftermarket replacement grills available new from various sources.
 
(quoted from post at 18:56:11 09/25/17) That is not a 3000 grill. The 3000 had a few different styles over the years it was produced, both with and without the inset headlights (the inset headlights were on the ones made at the European factories), but the 3000 always had a two piece grill, with the upper section having the F O R D logo on it. The one piece grill like in your photo wasn't used until the 2600/3600/4600 series that came after the 3 cylinder thousand series.

The part number for that style grill with the inset holes for the headlights is D5NN8200C. If you do a Google search on that part number you will find a number of aftermarket replacement grills available new from various sources.

Thank you Sean - That's great info! I guess now I need to find what the correct grille for mine is now. Looking at these numbers, am I correct that this is a 66?

This is on top of the implement mounting pad:
I believe it's 6K4C, K76, B830058 (not sure if that's a B at the beginning or not)
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Also have these numbers off of the engine and trans:
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6K4C means that it was made on October 4 during a year that ended in a 6. If it is truly a 3000 then it should be 1966, as that is the only year that ended in a 6 during the production run of the 3000 series. But if it is a 3600, then it would mean that it was made in 1976, not 1966.

The sheet metal around the grill in your picture does not appear to be 1966 sheet metal, as the lower grill section in 1966 wrapped around the sides of the sheet metal and so the sheet metal was recessed in the lower 3/4 section relative to the upper 1/4 section, and the sheet metal appears to be straight from the top to the bottom along the edge of the grill in your picture. Maybe I am mistaken because the pictures are not the greatest, but an easy way for you to be sure is to look at the sides of the hood. A 1966 hood would have louvers along the sides and on 4/1/68 they switched to a smooth sided hood.

Anything could have happened in terms of parts being swapped around over the last 40 to 50 years, so perhaps the tractor could have been in an accident that damaged the sheet metal and someone replaced it with later sheet metal.

Post some pictures of the overall tractor so we can get a better idea of what it is. So far, the close-up pictures you have provided have given some clues but, as I said, parts could have been swapped.
 
(quoted from post at 05:37:43 09/26/17) 6K4C means that it was made on October 4 during a year that ended in a 6. If it is truly a 3000 then it should be 1966, as that is the only year that ended in a 6 during the production run of the 3000 series. But if it is a 3600, then it would mean that it was made in 1976, not 1966.

The sheet metal around the grill in your picture does not appear to be 1966 sheet metal, as the lower grill section in 1966 wrapped around the sides of the sheet metal and so the sheet metal was recessed in the lower 3/4 section relative to the upper 1/4 section, and the sheet metal appears to be straight from the top to the bottom along the edge of the grill in your picture. Maybe I am mistaken because the pictures are not the greatest, but an easy way for you to be sure is to look at the sides of the hood. A 1966 hood would have louvers along the sides and on 4/1/68 they switched to a smooth sided hood.

Anything could have happened in terms of parts being swapped around over the last 40 to 50 years, so perhaps the tractor could have been in an accident that damaged the sheet metal and someone replaced it with later sheet metal.

Post some pictures of the overall tractor so we can get a better idea of what it is. So far, the close-up pictures you have provided have given some clues but, as I said, parts could have been swapped.


Thanks again for the response Sean. Here is the only other pic I currently have, which at least shows the louvers in the hood. I wI'll get a few more pics this afternoon and post up to see if that will help. Great info already though!

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I'm thinking you don't have the right nose
on it. I think the louvered hood is
correct based on the tin is on the high
setting which was only used on the early
3000s. Those aftermarket 3600 style noses
are readily available. Someone replaced it
then it got smacked again.
You should have the same nose and grill
that I posted the Craigslist ad for
yesterday. And if it is a US made tractor
it would not have the headlight holes in
the grill. Only the Brit and Belgium made
models had that style of lights in the
grill.
 
(reply to post at 16:10:22 09/25/17)

with a B830xxx serial number...... I would be surprised if it was a 3000... Now I suspect its got the correct nose, and the wrong hood.... I am wondering if the tranny and front grill is a 3600?????

I would do more checking to see if you simply have the wrong hood on a 3600 or you have the wrong grill on a 3000 or you have a mutt or frankenstien.... Either way, it will work out and be a fun journey. hope it turns out to be a 3600.....

B or basidom serial numbers are not as well documented as the C or american ones... maybe someone else will chime in...
 
(quoted from post at 09:51:59 09/26/17)
(reply to post at 16:10:22 09/25/17)

with a B830xxx serial number...... I would be surprised if it was a 3000... Now I suspect its got the correct nose, and the wrong hood.... I am wondering if the tranny and front grill is a 3600?????

I would do more checking to see if you simply have the wrong hood on a 3600 or you have the wrong grill on a 3000 or you have a mutt or frankenstien.... Either way, it will work out and be a fun journey. hope it turns out to be a 3600.....

B or basidom serial numbers are not as well documented as the C or american ones... maybe someone else will chime in...

Well I stand corrected... this note from another posts talks about two sets of serial numbers.. one for domestic and one for export.... so if the following is correct, you may very well have a 66 transmission.... Please see below.....


* B924741 * is the serial number and the B at the beginning means that it was assembled at the plant in Basildon in the UK. There's not a lot of documentation available on the European serial numbers as to the starting numbers for the various years, but I do have one document that lists the starting serial numbers for them as of 4/1/68, which is when they changed the sheet metal from the louvered hoods and wraparound grill to the smooth sided hoods and inset grill. The Basildon plant actually maintained two different serial number ranges, one for the "Domestic" market and one for the "Export" market. I'm not sure if "Domestic" meant just within the UK, or for all of Europe, but the Domestic serial numbers started at B810xxx starting on 4/1/68, and the Export serial numbers started at B085xxx on the same date, so yours was made for the Domestic market and it was made after 4/1/68. I assume that it originally had the headlights inset into the grill and the "transmission hand brake" as well as the brake lights and turn signal lights that the European tractors had due to regulations over there that the US made tractors of the same time period did not have.
 

I'm thinking it's a 3000 with a 3600 shell and grill.
It has the short shifters, longer ones where added in 69 to make shifting easier.
Early style flat steering wheel.
All of the casting numbers are C5, by the time the 3600 came out most of the casting numbers had been changed to C7, C9, D1 or newer.
 
(quoted from post at 07:51:59 09/26/17)
(reply to post at 16:10:22 09/25/17)

with a B830xxx serial number...... I would be surprised if it was a 3000... Now I suspect its got the correct nose, and the wrong hood.... I am wondering if the tranny and front grill is a 3600?????

I would do more checking to see if you simply have the wrong hood on a 3600 or you have the wrong grill on a 3000 or you have a mutt or frankenstien.... Either way, it will work out and be a fun journey. hope it turns out to be a 3600.....

B or basidom serial numbers are not as well documented as the C or american ones... maybe someone else will chime in...

Maybe somebody built it 1 piece at a time....#johnnycash #psychobillyford
 
Well I stand corrected... this note from another posts talks about two sets of serial numbers.. one for domestic and one for export.... so if the following is correct, you may very well have a 66 transmission.... Please see below.....

From the first pages of A Ford Service manual, I believe it was one produced in Europe. it is in the identification and serial number section near the beginning and it is discussing the "New Model" tractors that began production on 4/1/68:

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