Ford 2000 / 3000 tractor

Hello all, it's been a while since I posted, but haven't had anything to add...
Anyhow, looking for some help identifying a tractor I just bought. It was sold to me as a 2000 diesel Ford. P.O. didn't know the year. The pictures will help I'm sure. This is what I know:
1- It has been repainted and has the 2000 decal.
2- It has the left side hand brake ( Belgium model?).
3- It has two fuel filters, which from scouring the internet primarily shows up on 3000 series.
4- It does have the exposed draft spring.
5- I can't make heads or tails from the numbers stamped on the starter boss, hopefully someone can.
6- 6 the grill has been replaced.

Here are the numbers as stamped, inboard to outboard:
6C10B
D126
A132-196

I want to ensure that I order the correct manuals for it, if they are available...

Again, hopefully the pictures will help. As you will see, it's a bit taller than my Ford 8N, and not quite as tall as my Massey 165 high crop.

Thanks for all the help,
Roger
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By the way, I forgot to add that it is the 8 speed transmission, and single stage clutch? Don't know about the clutch, tranny and diff oil is milky and needs changed. What type of oil?

Thanks,
Roger
 
Thanks for the reply Rick, any idea what year, where did you find the info? Any idea as to the filter cross references to say NAPA part numbers, manuals, ETC??

Thanks,
Roger
 
Not sure on the model. It could be a 2000 or a 3000.

The "A" at the beginning of the serial number (A132-196)says that it was built at the plant in Antwerp Belgium.

The 6C10B looks like the Unit Number, which would indicate that it was built on March 10, 1966 during the day shift.

The other number, D126, is either incomplete or not correct. That should be the model number and if the tractor was made in 1966 that number should start with a number not a letter.

Check ion the same flat spot on the other side of the tractor to see if there are any other numbers there. Those early European tractors sometimes have some of the numbers on the left side.

It looks like some parts have been swapped out over the years. The hood sides look to be smooth with no louvers, which were used on tractors made on or after 4/1/1968, but it has the wrap around grill of the earlier style sheet metal that was made before 4/1/1968.

It has the transmission hand brake like most European tractors have, but it has the headlights out on the sides of the nose cone instead of inset into the grill like most European models would have.

It also has the square rear axles that all 3000's had and only the very latest 2000's had, so if the rear axle is from a 1968 tractor then it is a 3000.

As I said above, it looks like a number of things have been swapped around, so it's not 100% clear what it was originally and which parts have come from other tractors. Luckily for you the 2000 and 3000 model tractors were almost entirely identical except for a few horsepower difference, and a few things like the square vs. round rear axles and the 3000 had a flow control valve for the 3 point hydraulics while the 2000 did not. The diesel engine 3000's also had two different fuel injector pumps installed at different times depending on exactly when the tractor was built, either a CAV rotary pump or a Simms in-line pump. The diesel 2000's were only ever made with the CAV rotary pump, and your tractor has the CAV rotary pump, so that's not 100% conclusive either as that pump was used on both.

Check on the right side of the engine block down just above the oil pan is a flat rail and near the front of the engine on that rail there should be a stamped number that is the engine serial number that should consist of a letter followed by 6 numbers, just like the tractor serial number. If that number starts with a "B" then it is a 2000 series engine, and if it starts with a "C" then it is a 3000 series engine.
 
It also has the wide foot rests like the European models had, but the Am4rican style clamshell fenders. The European fenders were squared off and went down to meet the outside edge of the foot rests so you couldn't accidentally injure yourself by letting your foot dangle down between the foot rest and the fender, as per the government regulations over there back in the day.
 
Some overseas companies divide up their production year into "fortnights", that is 2-week-
long periods. At the beginning of each new fortnight, the serial number starts over again.
I can't point to a reference just now, but I'll bet this tractor was built in the 13th fortnight,
but when did they start counting?.., October 1st? This would be in the 6th month, or in March.
Somehow, the year is in there, maybe it is Year No 2, which would be 1966, right?
 
(quoted from post at 00:30:31 08/01/17) Some overseas companies divide up their production year into "fortnights", that is 2-week-
long periods. At the beginning of each new fortnight, the serial number starts over again.
I can't point to a reference just now, but I'll bet this tractor was built in the 13th fortnight,
but when did they start counting?.., October 1st? This would be in the 6th month, or in March.
Somehow, the year is in there, maybe it is Year No 2, which would be 1966, right?

Ford was an American company that had factories in Europe. They used the same style date codes at all factories. The date codes for the 1965-1974 thousand series tractors was a number followed by a letter followed by one or two numbers followed by another letter.

First number - year within a decade, so you need to know the model number and to know which decade(s) that model was made to know the exact year. Since the thousand series was made from 1965-1974 (actually made into 1975 as well) the 6 at the beginning means it was made in 1966.

First letter is the month. A is January, B is February, C is March, etc, except they skipped I and went from H being August to J being September. So the C after the 6 says it was built in March.

The next one or two digit number is the day within the month. So the 10 after the C says it was built on th e10th day of the month.

The final letter is which shift was working when the date code was stamped:
A - Midnight shift (midnight to 8:00 AM)
B - Day shift (8:00 AM to 4:00 PM)
C - After noon shift (4:00 PM to midnight)

And all serial numbers at a particular factory were incremented for each tractor rolling off of the assembly line. They did not repeat serial numbers after 1965. They did start serial number ranges over with the pre-1965 tractors when they switched from one series to the next (8N to NAA, NAA to hundred series, hundred to '01 series and '01 to thousand series), but as far as I know Ford never used anything having to do with fortnights in their date codes.
 
(quoted from post at 11:01:43 08/01/17)
It does have the louvered hood, you can see the shadows of the louvers in pic #1 and the openings of the louvers in pic 5.

After reading your message and looking back at the pictures I do see that now. I looked at the first picture and the white stripe was so bright and the picture was at just the right angle so that it looked like it didn't have the louvers.
 
Sean, sorry about the pictures, I'm not the best photographer!!
Anyhow, It makes sense that it is a '66 Belgium. The head lights are not original either.
Now for the big question... I've looked and can't find the engine oil capacity. I plan on running Rotella T5 as I run in the Massey 165. would that be okay? As far as the Tranny and diff, the 2000 and 3000 show up at the same capacity of 6.3 gals, do they have common sumps, or does it take 6.3 gal for each sump? There are 2 drain plugs, but then the 8N has 3 with a common sump... The massey only has 1 drain plug (that I've found), and has a common sump. I'm currently running the Tractor Supply brand of 303 universal hydraulic fluid in the Massey, will that work for the Ford?
By the way, I did see a set of numbers on the flat rail of the engine block just above the oil pan, but will have to clean it up to read them.
Any idea as to the fuel and oil filter numbers?

Thanks to all that responded, now I know a little more about this great running little MUTT!!!

Roger
 
(quoted from post at 17:55:04 07/31/17) Not sure on the model. It could be a 2000 or a 3000.

The "A" at the beginning of the serial number (A132-196)says that it was built at the plant in Antwerp Belgium.

The 6C10B looks like the Unit Number, which would indicate that it was built on March 10, 1966 during the day shift.

The other number, D126, is either incomplete or not correct. That should be the model number and if the tractor was made in 1966 that number should start with a number not a letter.

Check ion the same flat spot on the other side of the tractor to see if there are any other numbers there. Those early European tractors sometimes have some of the numbers on the left side.

It looks like some parts have been swapped out over the years. The hood sides look to be smooth with no louvers, which were used on tractors made on or after 4/1/1968, but it has the wrap around grill of the earlier style sheet metal that was made before 4/1/1968.

It has the transmission hand brake like most European tractors have, but it has the headlights out on the sides of the nose cone instead of inset into the grill like most European models would have.

It also has the square rear axles that all 3000's had and only the very latest 2000's had, so if the rear axle is from a 1968 tractor then it is a 3000.

As I said above, it looks like a number of things have been swapped around, so it's not 100% clear what it was originally and which parts have come from other tractors. Luckily for you the 2000 and 3000 model tractors were almost entirely identical except for a few horsepower difference, and a few things like the square vs. round rear axles and the 3000 had a flow control valve for the 3 point hydraulics while the 2000 did not. The diesel engine 3000's also had two different fuel injector pumps installed at different times depending on exactly when the tractor was built, either a CAV rotary pump or a Simms in-line pump. The diesel 2000's were only ever made with the CAV rotary pump, and your tractor has the CAV rotary pump, so that's not 100% conclusive either as that pump was used on both.

Check on the right side of the engine block down just above the oil pan is a flat rail and near the front of the engine on that rail there should be a stamped number that is the engine serial number that should consist of a letter followed by 6 numbers, just like the tractor serial number. If that number starts with a "B" then it is a 2000 series engine, and if it starts with a "C" then it is a 3000 series engine.

Sean, went out to clean up the stamped numbers on the right side of the engine block. Guess what, it don't start with a "B" or"C"... I'll post the pictures, although they are kinda hard to read from the pictures. It reads as follows"

LD117842A76

Can you make any sense out of these numbers?? You'll see the casting numbers also.

Thanks,
Roger

Can you make any sense out of these?
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Count the bolts on the rear axle housing? Somewhere I remember that the 2000 axle had fewer...like 11 vs 13, aka smaller diameter housing for smaller ring gear. Double filters have to do with the CAV distributor pump (from memory) as it can't take moisture. On the 3000 (which I have, '65) I have a CAV pump and 2 filters. The Simms inline pump is listed in my service manual for the 3000 and it only used one filter. I have an 8 speed with live PTO (2 concentric clutch discs and pressure plates) on my 3000. All of this is from memory, subject to error. If pinned down I can go outside and look.....I'm in my skivvies drinking my morning coffee.....aka coffee shop chat.....beats what's in town by a mile, actually about 5 miles. Grin
 
Differential and hyd are in a common sump. 134a works in that and tranny sumps. Engine oil is 6 quarts....for me anyway, regardless of what the dipstick says. I'd have to look up what I put in the other places when I changed the oil recently. I think 2 5 gallon pails filled both with some to spare.
 
Sorry, I forgot that the pre-4/1/68 engines used different letters to indicate the series. They changed them to match the letters at the beginning of the model numbers when they switched the model numbers from starting with a number to starting with a letter on that date. LD means that it is a 2000 series diesel engine.

For the pre-4/1/68 3 cylinder thousand series tractors:

L is a 2000 series engine
N is a 3000 series engine
P is a 4000 series engine

D in the second spot means diesel, G in the second spot means gasoline, and P in the second spot means Liquid Petroleum (Propane).

The 5M15 on the tag above the engine serial number means that the block was cast on December 15 1965.

The A76 at the end of the engine serial number means that the engine was assembled on January 7 1966.

So the Unit number of 6C10B looks like it agrees as that means that the tractor was assembled about two months after the engine, which was about average sitting time after assembly of major components (engine, trans, rear axle, etc.) before being put together to make the tractor.
 

Sean, thanks for the info, looks like I have a '66 model which is good to know. My understanding is I shouldn't have any trouble with parts, should any be needed, agree?

Thanks,
Roger
 
Thanks for the reply Texasmark1. I wouldn't want you to go outside in your Skivvies (old Navy term by the way), but if you get a chance, could you let me know your fuel filter manufacturer and part number, as well as the oil filter, if you have the big one like mine (in one of the pictures). If not, I may find a number on the old one, just wanted to have everything ready at one time...
I've used the 134a fluid, and may have the empty pail still, don't remember if it's the Tractor Supply 303 universal or another one, I'll have to look. At 6.3 gallons, 2 pails would leave some left over, which is a good thing...

Thanks again,
Roger
 

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