Will a 3000 run a NH 658 baler ?

Ken(Ark)

Well-known Member
I called the local farm equipment dealer who has a New Holland 658 baler for $4K in good working shape .

Will a Ford 3000 run this balers ? 47 motor HP , 38 Drawbar HP . The ground is fairly level , no steep hills .

Thank You - Ken .
 
I'm going to say no way. I have a 648 which is a 658's little brother and it makes my 5000 with a turbo work for its money in decent hay...

Also a 658 for 4k bucks I would be leery of.
 
I really can not think of a round baler that a Ford 3000 would handle safely because of weight and horse power.
 

I ran a 640 with my 3 cylinder 4000 for several years but it was a load for that tractor.
My BR7070 is a newer version of the 658 and it's a pretty good load for my 6610
I'm not sure if a 3000 can handle the weight a 630 4x4 baler with the bale chamber full on a grade.
 
SFI in Caldwell, TX. sells one that puts out mini rolls. Made for the horse owner that can't do square bales for one reason for another. I think the diameter is 3' and the length 4'. Sells for about 16K and is painted Tomato Worm green. Forget the name. SFI has a www.
 

Ran a jd410 baler with my 3000 for a couple of years.. its the small 4 foot baler and I had to run it in first and second gear... and it barely barely did the job, struggling all the way. It never had enough power and the baler wiggled the tractor as it rolled the bails... and thankfully, I was on flat ground with very small windrows.. otherwise it would not work. It was this problem and the lack of time to work, that made me move up tractor size, and baler size. Much better decision.
 
Thanks for the replies . I have found the 658 really needs twice the horsepower a 3000 will put out . I am looking at an IH 8420 which makes small bales .

If I would have bought the 3000 first I would have never bought an 8N to work 100 acres . The 3000 is still a little small but does a good job . I did not want to do the same when buying a baler and regret later not buying a bigger unit .
 
Back when I traded for the NH850 I had I was told my Oliver 77 would run it just fine but found out it would not. I got the owners manual for the NH850 and it said flat out that you needed 55HP to 75HP to run it. I then traded for a ACXT190 which was over kill for the baler at 98HP. I traded the XT190 for a Farmall 450 and Cletrac HG. The Farmall 450 is suppose to be 55HP but it didn't do was well as my Oliver 77 did so I kept my eyes out for something that would do the job. On one of my trips to look at things I spotted an Oliver Super 88 and then found who owned it and picked it up for $1000. It had a narrow front which does not work well for baling hay. So I then found an Oliver 88 wit ha wide front and diesel I swapped front end on the 2 and then traded the Oliver 88 off for some other stuff. So yep good idea to do your homework first then buy not the other way around. But at least I had fun doing ti the way I did
 

Info I could find says the IH 8420 is made by Hesston and is the same baler was the Hesston 530 and 730, also same as MF 1734.
Manual tie and sometimes won't cut it twine properly.
MF has a electric tie conversion kit that will fit any of those balers but it's a little pricey.
 
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Info I could find says the IH 8420 is made by Hesston and is the same baler was the Hesston 530 and 730, also same as MF 1734.
Manual tie and sometimes won't cut it twine properly.
MF has a electric tie conversion kit that will fit any of those balers but it's a little pricey.

I'll keep this info handy for parts ordering . I would imagine the market price is directly related to the amount of frustration created by the tie not working well , might be money well spent .
 
The CaseIH 8420 and the Hesston 530 are the same baler. As stated, Massey, as well as New Idea also marketed the same baler under their Brand. The older Hesston version is the 5530, the same baler with a different design threader arm and twine knife. We have an 8420 and a 5530. The have a 39"x 54" bale chamber, but in reality you end up with a bale that is about 48" tall, weighing about 300-400 pounds. That is for fescue or orchard grass hay.

I think they come standard with the rope/pulley for moving the twine arm. Most have the electric actuator, but hydraulic is also available. The manual says they require 35hp to operate. We use a Kubota 4030(44hp) or a Massey 253(48hp).

They are a simple baler and require very little maintenance. They use springs for bale tension, and the springs do break once in a while. Bearings need replacing sometimes also. There are aftermarket belts and gathering wheels available. New belts are about $125 each x 5 belts and will last for years. I help maintain four of these balers plus our two. We roll about 250-300 per year with ours.

Around here (NW North Carolina) there were a lot of them sold. Used, they bring $3,000-$5,000.
By the way, the big springs are repairable, if you know how to weld. We have been running two repaired springs for years.

Garry
 


Thank for the info . Where do you get your replacement parts ? I think I may need to get a bearing or two
 

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