Clutch help for 65 Ford 4000

tgoller84

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Does a 65 Ford 4000 3 cyl gas have a dual stage clutch or single? It's a dual range transmission with 4 gears in each range. Also has an independent pto.

Reason I'm asking is a friend of mine and myself just spent 4 days putting a clutch in the darn thing and now that it's back together it won't go into gear. The ford/new Holland tractor dealer service dept in louisville ky says it has a dual stage clutch that needs to be properly adjusted or set up before it goes into the tractor. Local tractor service shop in my hometown says that's not the case unless you disassemble the pressure plate, which I did not do. I only installed a new clutch disc. I only changed the disc because the tractor wasn't running when the clutch failed and the entire clutch was replaced about 3 yrs ago by the previous owner. The reason the clutch failed I'm told is because we tried to pull start the tractor because it wouldn't start....that's a mistake I won't make again.

So I got the new clutch disc from napa auto parts which they ordered through thier tractor parts supplier. It's identical to the clutch disc that came out of it. Local tractor mechanic says it sounds to him like we installed the disc backwards, said not to trust the sticker on the disc that says FW side.

Some people I ask about it says it's a dual stage clutch others say it isnt....need some insight.
 
Single stage clutch is used with independent PTO.

Installing the disc backwards could definitely cause your issue. The hub on the disc faces forward (toward the engine) on that one.
 
(quoted from post at 15:15:04 05/08/17) Single stage clutch is used with independent PTO.

Installing the disc backwards could definitely cause your issue. The hub on the disc faces forward (toward the engine) on that one.

I'm almost 100% positive the thicker part of the hub is on the flywheel side. My friend has already started breaking it back down
 

Doesn't matter if it's a SU or AP model, they use the same single disc clutch.
I have both models.

Where are you located, Louisville isn't that far from me.
There's also a real good clutch builder just south of Louisville in Brooks, I get all of my clutch's there.
Google: Ky Clutch

The clutch hub goes forward the flywheel, how much free travel to you have in the pedal, shouldn't be more than 1 1/2".
 

Doesn't matter if it's a SU or AP model, they use the same single disc clutch.
I have both models.

Where are you located, Louisville isn't that far from me.
There's also a real good clutch builder just south of Louisville in Brooks, I get all of my clutch's there.
Google: Ky Clutch

The clutch hub goes forward the flywheel, how much free travel to you have in the pedal, shouldn't be more than 1 1/2".
 
(quoted from post at 21:11:20 05/08/17)
Doesn't matter if it's a SU or AP model, they use the same single disc clutch.
I have both models.

Where are you located, Louisville isn't that far from me.
There's also a real good clutch builder just south of Louisville in Brooks, I get all of my clutch's there.
Google: Ky Clutch

The clutch hub goes forward the flywheel, how much free travel to you have in the pedal, shouldn't be more than 1 1/2".

Ok so we got the clutch back out and I was correct, we did not install the disc backwards. It will only go in one way and allow the clutch material to contact the pressure plate....flip it around and the middle of the disc that houses the springs sits on the pressure plate so I know that's not right since that would be metal on metal.

Is it possible something is wrong with the pressure plate assembly itself, like something bent or out of align? I don't see anything out of wack from what I can see of it. Should I just buy a clutch kit and replace it all? I didn't do that before because the clutch that was in it wasn't that old. Previous owner replaced it the year before I bought it and the pressure plate and bearings all look new, even the back of the clutch disc looks new.

I don't know if pull starting it did it I just know that 2 weeks prior I used it to blade the driveway and everything was fine. Then my father in law pulled me about 100 feet across the yard with his F150 and when I let the clutch out there was an audible "pop" and the clutch pedal suddenly had no resistance when I pushed on it. When we split the tractor we found the clutch material was completely pulled off the flywheel side of the disc. The rivets where completely exposed and they showed no signs of being pushed against a turning flywheel and the flywheel showed no signs of it either.

My friend that is helping me said he adjusted it the best he could and it still isn't working correctly.

I was gonna go to the Ford/New Holland dealer tomorrow after work but I doubt they'll have an answer since they told me the damn thing has a dual stage clutch which I now know to be untrue[/img]
 
(quoted from post at 23:07:45 05/08/17)
Doesn't matter if it's a SU or AP model, they use the same single disc clutch.
I have both models.

Where are you located, Louisville isn't that far from me.
There's also a real good clutch builder just south of Louisville in Brooks, I get all of my clutch's there.
Google: Ky Clutch

The clutch hub goes forward the flywheel, how much free travel to you have in the pedal, shouldn't be more than 1 1/2".

the 4110 comes with either single or dual clutch, pending tranny and options. Just sold two of them.

http://partstore.agriculture.newholland.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::mr54631ar397252
 
It's a 4000, with an independent pto.

Talked to the local tractor mechanic today and he said there may be something wrong with the pressure plate. He said he can order a complete clutch kit that's ready to go in for 240. I will be ordering that tomorrow. Hoping I can return the disc I have to napa since I can't use it.
 
(quoted from post at 17:35:17 05/10/17)

the 4110 comes with either single or dual clutch, pending tranny and options. Just sold two of them.

http://partstore.agriculture.newholland.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::mr54631ar397252


I don't know much about the 4110 LGC industrial, search tells me it's a 3000 series with a 201 engine that's normally found on a 4000.

My search showed a single disc clutch for transmission pto (non live) and a dual clutch for live pto.

Are you saying you had one with rear axle mounted hyd pump and independent pto.
Not saying they didn't make it, just couldn't find any reference to one.
 

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