What loader is this?

cdw31984

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I am considering buying this backhoe. Price is right at 2k but I'm more interested in the loader then the hoe. Looking at pictures it seems it has a 730 loader. I'm dealing with an elderly gentleman over the phone he is 4 hours away so model and serial numbers will be tough to get. The info he gives me is its an early 60's ford 4000, you can see industrial on the hood, he also said its a 4 cylinder diesel with a broke connecting rod. My tractor is a ford 4000 3 cylinder with the straight front axle lights inside the grill on bottom. My question is this, will the 730 loader fit my 4000 3 cylinder? I know I will have to modify the frame of the loader some. Basically turning it into a 735, taking the attachment points on the front off(730) and moving them to the top of the front axle(like a735) in the mounting block. Are there any differences besides where the pump mounts on a 730& 735, like width or length of the loader attachment points on the front or at the back axle. I don't want to drive 8 hrs round trip to not buy this thing. Thanks. By the way it is amazing how much info you can get from this forum.
 
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The 3 cylinder motor won't fit in a prior 4000, and a 730 loader isn't a good fit for a 3 cylinder 4000 AP.
 
With respect, can I ask why it isn't a good fit? I understand it will not directly bolt up, I have a machine shop at my disposal and pretty good fabricator. OR is it because my tractor cannot/will not handle the strain of that or any loader. My fear is that the inside dimensions of the loader at the bolster are to narrow for my tractor thus meaning my tractor's grill won't fit. I can deal with length being an issue I don't want to cut this in transversally, I feel then that would be more trouble then it's worth.
 
The loader looks like a 725. Your square nose tin is wider than the pre '65 tin. This is want the bracket looks like for the tractor that it is on now. I have a 4000 light industrial, same as the one it's mounted too. If you need me to measure the tin or something else just let me know.

Kirk
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I didn't say it couldn't be done. I said it is not a good fit. A 730 is designed to fit a 3 cylinder 2000, 3000 and 4000SU as well as some pre 1965 Fords. The width isn't the issue, the front bolster mounts are. You already know this.

Everyone has differing views on what is practical, doable and reasonable. I put more value on my own time than many here do. I'm gonna drop $2K on a loader, I don't want to spend a bunch of torch and welder time making it suit my needs.

Your mileage may vary.
 
With the tin nose it's either a 3400 if it's
three cylinder or 4400/4410 if it's 4
cylinder. Would be bolt on capable if he
could get an 860 cross mount if I have my
facts right. I'm trying to put a 730 loader
on a 3400 that came off a 3500 right now and
I'm having a heck of a time finding info to
build my own cross mount for the 3400
 

Loader frame doesn't look wide enough to clear your tin, 4000 three cyl models have a larger rear axle with wider bolt pattern, front of loader mounts to the bolt holes on the side of the axle bolster on three cyl models, pre 65 four cyl mounts are completely different.
You'll have to rework the rear axle mounts if the frame is wide enough to clear the planetary hump on your 4000, front mount will have to be completely cut off and refabed to bolt to the side of the front bolster, a new pump mount and drive will have to be made for the hydraulics. Not sure how the hoe pins on or if it will allow the rear brackets to be modified to fit the larger rear axle.

Personally I'd rather fix or replace the engine on the four cyl 4000 and keep the other one free for other chores.
 
Where you located, I'm in Connecticut
and have a loader from a Ford 4400 that
likely would adapt easier as they were
the same generation of 3 cylinder design
 
After further review I agree that it is an 725. Looking at the upper portion of the grill above the crossover for the hydraulic reservoir I can see that it is welded in place and not a bolt on addition. To me that indicates 725 I should have payed closer attention to that. Incidentally I found an article after a quick google search that spoke of the lifting capacity(1600 lbs) of the 725 and that it was often coupled with a back hoe attachment and that they were made for several ford models including the Industrial 4000 with the 4 cylinder motors. I was able to get a few measurements from the guy that owns the hoe. He said that at the crossover for the hydraulic tank, just above where the hydraulic pump is the inside measurement( where my tins would hit) is approximately 24 inches. He stated that is the inside measurement from hydraulic supply line to hydraulic supply line. He also gave me a measurement looking down standing over his rear axle, where the u bolts connect the loader to the rear axle. He said it was 27 inches wide there which will not work for my rear axle. That is the measurement i have a hard time believing, that would mean that in almost 8 foot (92 inches front of hydraulic tank to attachment pads) of length the loader frame would only get 3 inches wider??? Kirk if you wouldn't mind measuring the front of your 4000 I'd appreciate those numbers.
 
I ended up making my own mount. 22 1/2 inches inside to inside or the backhoe rails. ten inches of drop back on each side, bolts at 5 1/2 and 8 3/4 and 1 1/2 inches from the top on each side. (all inside to inside measurements. Center mount bolts to the lower front bolts from the huge thick pan. They are 9 1/4 inches center to center and centered on the overall piece but only 1 inch from the top of bracket. factory used 1/2 by 4 material I would say. Afterwards I found out that the whole nose from a 3500 will bolt to a 3400 giving you the cast nose to bolt to and the very much heavier axle and stearing. I think that 4000 industrial may have the cast pan and the front end swap be an option on yours along with the loader to make it in fact a bolt on addition.
 

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