4500 ford backhoe question

I have a 4500 ford backhoe , I believe these were made 1965 to 1974. I'm not sure what lube goes in the transmission . It is a manual trans. with D1 and D2 and R1and R2 with a second shifter for low and high . Some of the tractor places say that tractor uses 134 D hydraulic oil in the transmission and rear end . I am wondering if they are confused because some of these tractors came with a select a shift trans., that I assume was automatic . I saw a post on here a while back about the 4500 trans. fluid and someone replied that their manual called for 90 w gear oil in the trans. I had much rather use that since the tractor is old and leaks but I dont want to damage it with the wrong lube . Does anyone know what fluid goes in the tranny ? The numbers under the hood are 4501C Does any one know what the 1C is for , It might be IC . Thanks
 

Three transmissions were available for the 4500
Manual reverser that had three forward gears and two reverse gears plus high and low range on a second shifter.
Torque convertor with 2 forward and two reverse gears plus high and low
Power shift with ten forward and two reverse.

All use 134D hydraulic fluid.
 
Thanks Destroked 450 .That is a big help , I never was exactly sure what tranny I had , or even if it was called the 8 speed . I know I have the torque converter model now . I did have another question , is the trans. fluid sealed off and seperated from the rear end fluid ? The reason I ask is I wasn't going to bring the rear end up completely full untill I can replace some seals . I only use the tractor on my own property occasionally , and I was hoping the tran fluid would not run over into the rear end .
 

Yes they have separate systems, not many places for rear end to leak on that model, pto cover plate, cover plates on the sides, brake boots and shaft seals, axle seals and housing orings.
Where is it leaking from.
 
Thanks JoeM(Ga
Any info I can get on the backhoe sure helps me to keep it running. I am from Ga also near Eatonton. I wasnt even sure if they called the transmission I have an 8 speed. I believe you are talking about the 1 means no pto on the transmission . When I talk to some of the ford tractor parts places the are in disbelief that the backhoe has a pto on the rear end . They say that is a farm tractor and backhoes dont have a pto. Well it does, I have removed the backhoe unit before and ran a saw mill off the pto.
 
Thanks destroked 450 for quick reply ,it leaks on the brake rod boots and the axle seals . Is the axle seal and o ring hard to install ? can you give me a few instructions , Thanks dan
 
Thanks JoeM(GA), I made a mistake on my post, the model is 45012C not 4501C does that mean it is the rear end pto model ?
 

OK yours has a pto, that's great, mine doesn't and it cost to much to add.
Yes the same transmission and independent pto's where available on the 4500 that was on farm tractors.
Now I'm guessing you may have a pto seal leaking which it a simple fix, it's also the lowest part of the rearend so don't let it get too low on oil and miss up other parts inside.
Does it have a lift top where lift arms can be installed when the backhoe is off.
 
(quoted from post at 09:13:04 08/10/16) Thanks destroked 450 for quick reply ,it leaks on the brake rod boots and the axle seals . Is the axle seal and o ring hard to install ? can you give me a few instructions , Thanks dan

Brake rod boots aren't to hard if the adjusting clevis isn't stuck to bad.
Axle seals are a big job, you have to remove the axle housing assembly then remove the planetary drive and brake parts before the axle will come out in order to replace the seal.
I've never had to replace an axle seal but have replaced the entire outboard assemblies on one tractor, they are very heavy and if I remember correctly when the left side is removed the ring gear assembly can fall out.
Having junked out a couple 000 series tractors I have some extra sets of these rearends.
 
yes that means it has a PTO
2 = Trans 540 rpm

Most people you find at a parts counter either are not old enough to remember when those were new, but
a 4500 didn't have to have the hoe, many were just industrial loaders with a weight box on the rear.
One of my best customers back in the 1980's ran a 4500 w/loader and a 7' heavy duty Hardee mower doing power right-a-ways
he said it was the toughest tractor he ever mowed with.

If I can help you, just yell
 
4501C is not a complete model number. There should be one more numeral in there. The 450 at the beginning means that it is a 4500. The C at the end means that it should have an 8 speed transmission with 4 forward gears and 1 reverse gear on the main shifter, plus the hi/low ranges on the shorter shifter for a total of 8 forward and 2 reverse gears. Your description of the shift pattern sounds like it is a 4x4 manual reverser transmission, in which case, if the transmission is original to the tractor, then the letter at the end of the model number should be a G, not a C. If the model number on the sticker under the hood does end in a C then the transmission was replaced at some point.

Because there is a missing number, the 1 could mean that it has a diesel engine or that it has no PTO as we don't know which position the 1 is actually in.

Most folks use a 134D equivalent UTF in all of the sumps on their old Ford tractors, whether they have a manual transmission, a Select-O-Speed, or an auto reverser with the torque converter. That is because the seals between the various sumps tend to leak and if you use the same fluid in all of the sumps then you don't have to worry about cross-contamination. You can use 80w or 90w oil in the transmission if you like, but modern UTF that meets the 134D spec has the characteristics necessary to keep your transmission running fine for years and years.
 
Manual reverser that had three forward gears and two reverse gears plus high and low range on a second shifter.

The earliest manual reverser, made prior to 4/1/1968 had a 4x4 manual reverser . They switched it to a 6x4 ( transmission code L) on that date.

The 4x4 had transmission code G at the end of the model number and the 6x4 had a K.
 
Thanks Sean in Pa. I made a mistake on the model and revised that with a later reply . In That reply I showed the model as you say with another number. Instead of 4501C , It is 45012C , The decal is hard to read so now I believe it is a G like you say and not a C . I read where some tractors have the model also stamped on a flat place on the bell housing, do you think that tractor has the stamp ?
 
Thanks Destroked 450 , I will do the brake rod boots , and the pto seal . I don't want to tackle the axle seal. I don't think the axle leaks much unless I fill it completely full and or park it off level . No more than I use the tractor , I figure the tractor tilting while running will keep some oil to the axle bearings even if the fluid is a little low . Also I have some sealer that is supposed to work very well on oil seals . I orders 3 bottles on ebay . It is called AT-205 RE-SEAL by atp automotive .
 
Thanks Destroked 450 , I am almost sure it does not have the lift top , I would have noticed that by now , but I will look to be sure .
 
(quoted from post at 20:33:06 08/10/16) I read where some tractors have the model also stamped on a flat place on the bell housing, do you think that tractor has the stamp ?

They all should have the numbers stamped into the flat spot on the bell housing. The ones made before November 1968 will probably not have the sticker under the hood. The ones made after that may have had the sticker originally but lots of them have deteriorated to where they are no longer legible and lots are gone altogether. The flat spot where the numbers should be stamped is just above and toward the rear of the tractor from the starter. Do a Google search on "Ford tractor serial number location" and you'll find lots of pictures showing where the flat spot is.

What are the other numbers on the sticker under the hood? particularly the "tractor number", which is the serial number, and the "Unit Number", which is the date code for when the tractor was assembled. The rest of the numbers on the sticker are date codes for when the various sub-assemblies were assembled, like the engine, transmission, etc.

Since it has the sticker under the hood and the model number starts with a 4 instead of a D, I am willing to put $5.00 on it being made between October 1967 and April 1968.
 
Thanks JoeM(GA),I know what you mean about the old guys not around any more . Now when I try to get parts from new holland they don't much want to bother with it . I just had to replace the steering shaft with steering knuckle ball bearings and races . New holland said the last time they tried they could'nt get those parts and had to order a whole new steering housing assembly for the customer . I was able to get the parts online with no problem from other sources. That is the second time I have had to replace those parts. The first time I didnt replace the seal at the top of the steering column and water got in . This time I have the new seal but I just tighten the nut on the steering wheel hand tight, when not in use I take the wheel off and set a tin can over the top of the column !!
 
Thanks Sean in Pa , you are being very helpful . I traveled across Pa one time in a motor home all the way across from east to west heading for Chicago . That was very very long way ride across Pa. I will check those numbers out today . I know the serial number is on the decal and I think it is readable . I am heading for the supply house today for 134D fluid for trans and rear end . I plan to drain those and refill. I am curious about how much fluid is in those and if water and other things are present .
 
You are dead on with the production date and the tran being a G and not C here are the numbers I was able to read with magnifier: Model: 45012G means 4000 industrial diesel trans pto G transmission

Unit data: 7H30B 1967 Aug 30th day shift

serial : * C183448 * (all my source shows is C is made in USA)

The source I used , http://www.springfieldbiz.com/oaktree/codes_short2.html does not show the G type transmission ,is that a 4x4 2 foward 2 reverse with hi lo to give 4 foward 4 rev. , manual rev with no torque converter and a clutch pedal ?
 

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