Ford 801 versus Massey 65

spayne67 · Aug 3, 2016

I am looking at two unrestored tractors, both look to be in good shape. One is a gas 1961 MF-65 for $1700 the other is a Ford Powermaster Diesel 801 for $3200. I know the Massey is heavier and possible a little more HP but looking for opinions on the pros and cons, please.

maxwell99 · Aug 3, 2016

Be sure the ford has independent pto, if you are going to do much rotary cutter or mower work,

Diesel will use much less fuel if that cost is a factor

spayne67 · Aug 3, 2016

That would be a live PTO?

Fordfarmer · Aug 3, 2016

Only the Select-O-Speed had independent pto in that era. If it has a 5-speed, it MAY have live pto.

RickB · Aug 3, 2016

At the risk of being thrown out of here, and not being. Massey fan at all, take the 65. Disclaimer, only if it is in proper condition.

maxwell99 · Aug 3, 2016

Yes, what he said, that is the word I was looking for live pto,

Also, if the old Massey has multi power that can be good if it works or very costly if in need of repair,

Dean · Aug 3, 2016

The MF is heavier, has nearly 10 more PTO HP and will use more fuel.

The Ford costs nearly twice as much.

Dean

Catskill Pete · Aug 3, 2016

The Ford has live hydraulics, not affected by clutch. The 65 has a transmission driven pump and the clutch has to be engaged to use the hydraulics. Doesn't sound like a big deal until you live with it for awhile. Then it gets important.

Dieseltech · Aug 3, 2016

The hydraulic pump only stops during starting-stopping the PTO, not the transmission. All MF 65s came with the two stage clutch, one for the main drive, and second stage for the PTO. 35s could be single or dual clutch models, sold as special or deluxe.

ptfarmer · Aug 3, 2016

What transmission does the 801 have? Parts look like they cost more for the 801.

Sean in PA · Aug 4, 2016

(quoted from post at 00:35:35 08/04/16) What transmission does the 801 have? Parts look like they cost more for the 801.

801 is a series of tractors. There were many different models within the series, and the individual models within the series varied by the middle digit in the model number. The different models had different transmissions as well as various options on the PTO and some didn't have 3 point hydraulics:

811 - Select-O-Speed transmission with no PTO
821 - Four speed transmission with no PTO or 3 point lift
831 - Four speed transmission with no PTO
841 - Four speed transmission with PTO and 3 point lift
851 - Five speed transmission with 3 point lift and non-live PTO
861 - Five speed transmission with 3 point lift and live PTO
871 - Select-O-Speed transmission with single speed independent PTO and 3 point lift
881 - Select-O-Speed transmission with dual speed independent plus ground speed PTO and 3 point lift

spayne67 · Aug 4, 2016

I know it has to be an 841, 851, or 861.

spayne67 · Aug 4, 2016

I should have mentioned that it would mainly be used for bush hogging or using a finishing mower, post hole auger and moving a few round bales. I am sure the Ford is either an 841, 851, or 861. What about a gas John Deere 2010R?

tracto-man · Aug 4, 2016

If the MF works, go for it. Ford doesn't look that good to me.

sunbeam · Aug 4, 2016

From the picture the 801 is a 4 speed no live PTO go for the massey.

Dean · Aug 4, 2016

The Ford is an 841.

It cannot have live PTO, and I do not like the 172 CI diesel engine, especially with an undersized battery. It is also overpriced.

Need more info about the JD.

Dean

ptfarmer · Aug 4, 2016

The 65, you will have at least 6 forward, and 2 reverse gears, live, or possibly independent pto. I'd wouldn't even consider the JD 2010, and I would pass on the Ford.

ptfarmer · Aug 4, 2016

(quoted from post at 10:50:44 08/04/16) The Ford is an 841.

It cannot have live PTO, and I do not like the 172 CI diesel engine, especially with an undersized battery. It is also overpriced.

Need more info about the JD.

Dean

The 2010 is junk, they spend more time in the shop with problems than it does actually working.

maxwell99 · Aug 4, 2016

I know overall John Deere makes good equipment and it normally brings top dollar on resale,

However, my neighbors son-in-law had one of these 20 series tractors, it just might have been his, but he had a lot of trouble with it,

He was always having to borrow my neighbors 5000 ford to tend his crop,
He was not a happy camper with the 20 series tractor,

RickB · Aug 4, 2016

All we need to know about the Deere is that it is a 2010. RUN the other way.

spayne67 · Aug 5, 2016

I bought the Massey 65. Sounds strong, no smoke, PTO and 3-point "seem" to work good, cosmetically sound but old 60+ year point. Excited for the project. Thanks everyone for the advice.

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