NAA 1954 Hydraulic Failure and Repair Advice

aquaholic

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this is long but i'll try not to leave out any of the details. I have experienced complete and sudden 3 point hydraulic failure. 3 point arm have gone absolutely dead. the don't even move 1/4 inch. They worked fine 5 days before when i last used the tractor. Now i have nothing. I expect that something became disconnected so i removed the top plate that the seat is bolted to. I backed out the acorn nut on the outside of the case before i lifted the cover off because thats what my service manual said to do. Inside i found a tube connected to the acorn nut (labled A) that just lays down in the sump of oil. It pivots on the bolt connected to the acorn nut. Should this tube just be laying down in there? It doesn't appear to be connected to anything. There is also a clamp/bracket on the tube (labled B) that i can't figure out where it goes. I cannot seem to pivot the tube up so that i can see the other end because it goes down under the casting and is to long to pivot it up to see the end. I stuck my hand down in the hydo fluid and nuthing is connected to the other end of the tube. Is all this stuff normal? Anyone know what this is and why it's just flopping around in there? And possibly where that clamp goes on and attaches to?[/url]
 
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That is back pressure valve. It acts as does an overpressure relief valve and when not lifting, dumps pump flow via the tube back into the sump.
 
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aquaholic,

It looks like the "cover" bolts got put back incorrectly. If you swap the top and bottom bolts on the side nearest the tube, you will be in business with a nut (maybe in the sump ?).

Chris
 
roger that. i'll switch the bolts and put a nut/lock washer on it. i suppose the bad news is, that this is not why my hydro's quit working.
 
See sketch. Depends on pressure, where applied & if assembled I would say.

 
thanks j i see how it works now. i was thinking relief was the other direction. other than the gasket kit (abc090) that i just ordered, is there anything else i should do to this before i put it back together? i hoping all those gaskets in the kit fix my problem.
 
(quoted from post at 09:31:25 07/07/16) thanks j i see how it works now. i was thinking relief was the other direction. other than the gasket kit (abc090) that i just ordered, is there anything else i should do to this before i put it back together? i hoping all those gaskets in the kit fix my problem.
t seems that all you have done is take the top cover off & bolt the backpressure tube onto side of hydraulic sump (nice but not necessary), so I see nothing done to address the "failure to lift problem". Did I miss something?
 
(quoted from post at 09:44:03 07/07/16) well my plan was to install all those gaskets in that hydraulic lift cove gasket repair kit and pray.
would at least be sure that the unloader valve is free to move easily & replace the O-ring on it.

 
will do. thank you. my problem has to be in this unit somewhere. i started the tractor with the hydro cover off and idling at 600rpm and hydro oil was shooting up out of the supply hole about 8-10 inches so i'm betting that the pump itself is fine.
 
mine is a little bitr different but not much. assuming the arrow i drew is pointing to where the unloader valve, can i simply knot it out from the other side or can i stick a rod in there from the other side and tap it out with a hammer?
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(quoted from post at 21:54:26 07/07/16) mine is a little bitr different but not much. assuming the arrow i drew is pointing to where the unloader valve, can i simply knot it out from the other side or can i stick a rod in there from the other side and tap it out with a hammer?
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es, punch it out from other side.
 
thanks j. i appreciate the help. i'm a little reluctant to beat on stuff for this old ford mostly because parts take so long to get and i need this girl back up and runnin.
 
i pulled that unloader valve out and it looks fine. it still has the o-ring on it. is there anything else i can check before the new gasket kit arrives?
 
(quoted from post at 07:06:32 07/11/16) i pulled that unloader valve out and it looks fine. it still has the o-ring on it. is there anything else i can check before the new gasket kit arrives?
ave you examined the lift ram & cylinder?
 
i have not j. can i just reach in there with some long nose pliers and pull that piston out? the ram which i assume is that part that looks like a dog bone id ok. looks kinda like it just flops around up in the cylinder. the piston appears to be shoved the whole way up in the cylinder. i was thinking that while i'm waiting on that gasket kit, i would unbolt that cylinder from the top plate and check those o rings and gasket as well since they appear to be coming with the gasket kit. am i on the right track here?
 
(quoted from post at 13:33:48 07/11/16) i have not j. can i just reach in there with some long nose pliers and pull that piston out? the ram which i assume is that part that looks like a dog bone id ok. looks kinda like it just flops around up in the cylinder. the piston appears to be shoved the whole way up in the cylinder. i was thinking that while i'm waiting on that gasket kit, i would unbolt that cylinder from the top plate and check those o rings and gasket as well since they appear to be coming with the gasket kit. am i on the right track here?
es, on track. Once cylinder off, you can apply compressed air & blow the piston out, BUT be sure up against a pile of rags or something, so that you don't make a bullet!
Over pressure safety relief is in bottom of sump.
And ram cylinder safety valve & check valve screws in just to left of arrow in picture.

 
(quoted from post at 16:54:03 07/11/16) any idea of where i can buy these valves for an NAA? i don't see them for sale on this site.
do not. If you find them the price will make you prove that they are bad before replacing! They may not ever open in the life of a tractor, so I think likely hood of failure is low, but certainly could & no doubt has at sometime, somewhere.
 
i checked a few sites like here and steiner and such but they dont seem to be available for an naa. the lift pist o-rings are thankfully coming in the gasket kit i ordered.
 
is this part something i can take apart and service? i don't see this part identified in any of my manuals or parts diagrams. the housing is loosely fitting and i can twist it 1/4 inch in either direction very easily. there appears to be some solder on one end of the slot where a screwdriver would go to remove the screw in the top of it.
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(quoted from post at 07:35:27 07/13/16) is this part something i can take apart and service? i don't see this part identified in any of my manuals or parts diagrams. the housing is loosely fitting and i can twist it 1/4 inch in either direction very easily. there appears to be some solder on one end of the slot where a screwdriver would go to remove the screw in the top of it.
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ee previous post on pump over pressure relief valve. Yours has 'anti-spray' hood over it which is not shown in previous post regarding valve removal. Nothing serviceable & solder on it is 'anti-tamper' device to hopefully prevent someone from altering the factory relief pressure setting.
 
thanks j. i took the piston out yesterday and it looks good, as does the cylinder. the o-ring was still there as well. is there a way to test that relief valve or should i just leave it alone? it doesn't seem that i can buy it in either case.
 
(quoted from post at 12:47:17 07/13/16) thanks j. i took the piston out yesterday and it looks good, as does the cylinder. the o-ring was still there as well. is there a way to test that relief valve or should i just leave it alone? it doesn't seem that i can buy it in either case.
personally would leave it alone. If you cap off the tube going up to top cover & connect a gauge at port on side of that cavity (low& around running board), you could then start engine & it should relieve and blow oil out at the "hood" around it at 2000PSI.
 
1st off, let me say thank you. i appreciate you guys who hang out on these forums and help us dumbasses. i replaced all the gaskets with the ABC-090 kit. it consists of about 10 o-rings and 5 other misc gaskets and even a leather gasket. while in there i cleaned everything with brake clean. reassembled it all and my 3 point works perfectly again. i learned alot of terminology and can now identify 90+ percent of the parts in there. i needed the old girl back and now she's back discin, plowin and sickle mowin. yeehaa.

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