Power Steering Fluid

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Is there anything special I need to look for in power steering for my 1967 Ford 4000? Will stand fluid from auto store work or should I look at Tractor Supply.

Thanks
Michael
 
Ok, I should have searched Mr Google before I posted this.
I did my google search after posting and it brought me here

http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ford&th=40661

and I did not even have my model listed.
I will use some in the winter, but I am in the south, not too cold.
Any other thoughts are welcome.
 

ATF type F is what we used in anything Ford. Dexron in the GM, and only Mopar had a dedicated PS oil, which was probably Dexron without the red dye....But since PS is a smaller version of the big hydraulics on a tractor, same oil you used in the rest of the hydraulics. It is only oil under pressure moving something...
 
The original specs for the fluids in a 3 cylinder thousand series tractor was Ford M-2C53-A for the rear axle/hydraulic sump and all of the manual transmission models, and M-2C41-A for the power steering and Select-o-Speed transmissions. Both of those specifications have been superseded several times over the years, and there is no a single current specification that supersedes them both, which is the Ford/New Holland M2C134D specification, so most folks who have one of those tractors use a UTF that meets that spec in every reservoir except the engine crank case. That includes the transmission, rear axle/hydraulic sump and the power steering.
 
Ford pow steer will not be picky.

ATF, utd, utf, hyd oil, pie steer fluid, heck, in an emergency, engine oil...
 

I have used this magic 134 hydraulic fluid in P/S cars/trucks/tractors import and domestic its good chit I have never had a problem using it...
 
I am planning to use JD low viscosity HyGuard in mine, works well in my other steering systems.
 
I am planning to use JD low viscosity HyGuard in mine, works well in my other steering systems.

JD Low Viscosity Hy-Gard says on the label that it meets the M2C134D specification. Everybody has a favorite brand, but as long as it meets the spec go for it.
 
Thanks to everyone for the information. Special Thanks to Sean for your in-depth details, you always have so much valuable information. Thanks for your time spent researching the answer or if you just know all of it .. WOW!

I used some of the oil I had from when I purchased the tractor last year and change out the oil.
I did not check the PS when I got the tractor. I had noticed the steering was not as easy the last couple of times I drove so figured I should check. The cap/top was really hard to get off, but the rubber ring seemed to be in good shape. I added the oil and put the top back on, again it was really tight. I was trying to unscrew it when I took it off, it so tight. When I was driving the steering was much easier, like it had been in the past. While I was driving I noticed oil coming down the side of the motor, traced it back to the PS reservoir. Looks like it is coming from the top, by end of day it seemed to have slowed down, but the steering was not as easy as it had been. Either it got so low it stopped or maybe the rubber expanded with the heat.
Can the rubber ring be replaced or does it require a new top?

Thanks
 
Yes, the rubber seal should still be available from any New Holland dealer. I would replace the filter inside the reservoir as well and change out all of the p/s fluid.
 
Sean, no NH dealer around here, I will check on-line to see what I can find?

quote:
"I would replace the filter inside the reservoir as well and change out all of the p/s fluid."

I cannot see into the reservoir, I had to use a cup to put the oil in. It is on the other side of the motor from where the hood opens. Did not know there was a filter in it. Only why I see to get to the top is take the hood off from that side, which would require take the muffler off. Right ?
Thanks
 
messicks.com and partspring.com are both on-line dealers that sell Ford/New Holland parts. Messicks has the parts lookup pages right there on their site so you can see what you're ordering. The part number for the rubber seal is C5NN3D587B and the part number for the filter is C7NN3N538A.

As to the p/s filter, you should be able to remove the bolts holding the left side of the hood on and raise it up enough to change the filter without having to remove the muffler. Just use a few pieces of 2x or 4x lumber to hold the ends of the hood up.
 
Sean,
Did not use my tractor much this winter. When I did use it, it "appeared" it had stopped leaking so I did not order the parts. I used it the past couple of weeks and found it is still leaking, but I question if the gasket is the problem. When I checked it was below the dip stick, so I added and it started leaking. I looked at it while the engine was running and found the oil is coming out of the small hole in the top of the cap, what I figured is an air hole. I did not see how it can get to the air hole, unless there is a hole in the bottom of the dip stick and it is coming out through there when I add oil and it is at the dip stick level, when it leaks to where it is below the stick, it stops leaking. Now what would cause it to leak like this, I did not think the reservoir was under pressure. So the filter comes to mind, if it is plugged this could cause the pressure?? I have felt in the power steering reservoir and do not feel a filter. I have added some pictures of the Power Steering Tank and the top to make you know what kind of PS my tractor.
Thanks
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Yes, that looks like a breather hole, and if the level is reading low on the dipstick and fluid is leaking out of the hole, then I would suspect the filter, except that does not look like the original reservoir. I've never seen a reservoir that looks like that. Here is a link to the parts diagram showing the power steering pump and reservoir that should be on your tractor if it is a '67 4000 that has factory power steering:

http://partstore.agriculture.newholland.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::mr64887ar259016

Note that the top cover of the factory reservoir covers the entire top of the reservoir and has a blind nut on the top holding it down. Looking at that reservoir, my guess would be that there is no filter in there, or if there is it would not match a standard New Holland part number. My further guessing would be that the non-factory reservoir has some sort of restriction in it that is causing the fluid to foam up when in use and that is why it is coming out of the breather hole.
 
Sean, Thanks for the quick reply. I was told by the man we purchased the tractor from last year that it was 1967, I have never done a cross check of that against the serial number. I included a picture of the info tag that is under the hood, it may tell you more about this model. Also pictures of the power steering pump and the connection shafts. I "think" I have read on this forum about an after market PS some people installed on these tractors, maybe that is what I have? I will be using the tractor most of the day doings some clean up under a small area of pines that has grown up. I don't want to damage the PS pump, if I add oil is will leak out within a hour or so. When it stops leaking it is below the stick, but I don't think empty. It still steers but it is not as easy as when I first add the oil.
Thanks, Hope You have a Wonderful 4th!
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That .... is an aftermarket power steering unit made in Turkey iirc...

so it will different in some ways... on a factory unit,, there is a filter inside the reservoir that stops the fluid from splashing against the top cover.. I dont know on yours. I would have to look inside and see what the return line does and how it directs fluid back into the reservoir. And if the reservoir is low, the fluid will shoot up on to the cap and then leak.. so a nearly full reservoir is important, and the correct fluid is also important.
 

That's an aftermarket ps like others say.
With smooth non vented hood, spin on oil filter with no adapter and build dates, your tractor is a 72 model
 
Those numbers on the sticker under the hood says that it is a 1972 4000 ag chassis with diesel engine, independent 540 rpm PTO and an 8 speed transmission. The B at the beginning of the serial number indicates that it was assembled at the plant in Basildon in the UK.

The number for the transmission indicates it was assembled on March 17, 1972 during the day shift. The engine was assembled on may 18, 1972, the hydraulic pump was assembled May 10, 1972, the Hydraulic lift was assembled on May 23, 1972 and the rear axle was assembled on May 15, 1972.

I can't read the Unit Number clearly in that picture, but it looks to me like maybe 2F24B which would mean that the tractor was assembled on June 24, 1972 during the day shift.
 
Well it has been almost a year since I posted this. Just a little background for such a delay. I was asking about the power steering because it was leaking and I was going to use the tractor one July 4th, I was off and wanted to clear under some pines. The battery was dead so I jumped it off and ran the tractor about 6 hours straight. I was backing up most of the time using the Box Blade to push and pull the small trees and growth. With a constant turning from side to side to make sure I did not hit one of the pine trees, they are 40-55 feet tall and some are dead. So I did not want the top to break off and spear me in the head. I could feel my back aching but figured the heating pad would take care of that as usual. By the end of day I knew I had messed up, took a shower went to bed. Woke up to go to work and could not sit up, my lower back was locked. Took a week to just walk straight, and exercise got things going again. So I did not use the tractor for rest of summer.

So back to the power steering leaking. I tried filling the reservoir full but it still leaks out the hole in the top. When it stops leaking, I check the level with a stick I cut to fit and it does have about an inch in the bottom. So now I am wondering if that is how it was when I got the tractor... I did not check the level so I don't really know. It was after almost a year (I know I should have checked sooner) when I did check and the fluid was not on the Dip Stick on the top that I added and it started leaking. It seems to steer a little easier when I do add fluid, but I may be just thinking that. I used the tractor last week and just added a small about (did not touch the dip stick) and it leaked a little and then stopped. when I got through I checked with the small stick and there is about an inch level in there. I don't want to chance it running out and destroy the pump, but am at a lose of what to do.

By the way Sean, the information you gave me from the Hood tag, that is amazing ! Thanks
 

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