Failing to give Fathers Day gift of 63 ford 4000 diesel HELP

OH I'm really trying to keep calm and not have a 2yr old moment and throw tools around while writing the new curse word book.

First I have common sense and I just know I would have checked/verified with old cam that new one was a replication.

I have had a long 7 months restoring my Fathers 63 Ford 4000
172 diesel 4 cylinder for him and was hoping to give it back to him this fathers day totally operational with no issues.
I think I'm going to fail. :cry:

I have made it all the way to turn the key on push start button and engine cranks over but, NO START yes there's fuel getting to injectors. This engine is brand new everything except block. By brand new I mean if I couldn't do it or have it rebuilt then it's a new part. New parts are crank, cam, valves n springs, sleeves, everything else I cleaned n rebuilt my self except fuel pump.

I have spent the last 3 days retracing my rebuild, installation, priming you know questioning my self " Did I install this seal? YES! Did I install it the right direction? YES! question after question answer after answer good here good there. I have arrived to a question that I'm having difficulty answering.

Sorry for the long write up but, it's worth it to me.

Here's my ?

Could I have the wrong camshaft installed or am I causing my self to run circles around nothing.

So I have a Roosa Master pump that is suppose to be a CC
"Counter Clockwise" rotation pump and in having to retime pump to valves I noticed something that has thrown me off.

I turn Flywheel Counter Clockwise to bring #1 cylinder to 23 Deg. BTDC Then place pump gear in block like it says it should be. A little off from exact horizontal and larger side of gear top facing engine. Then turn pump shaft Counter Clockwise till timing mark is about 1/8" to right of stationary mark. This should allow pump to gear proper seating. Now while I was turning flywheel CC direction I happen to notice the drive gear in block was rotating C "clockwise" I started to think HAY wait a min if that gears turning clockwise then so would the pump and that would mean pump is turning wrong direction. YES this is where I started to rewrite the book on curse words.

My understanding is that the engine should be turning Counter Clockwise when looking at it from drivers seat or back of motor? This is correct right?

So my thought is if I have the right rotation of the engine then I must have the wrong camshaft well the wrong direction facing gear that turns the oil pump and fuel pump gear. If that's the case then I will have to cry cause I will have failed my self goal of giving the best father I have ever known an awesome gift.

No tractor for the last 10 yrs. and he's 70 and well......

I'm frustrated, under the gun trying to give my father an awesome gift for fathers day and I am turning to anyone here who can maybe help me out. Ask me questions, tell me what I might have done wrong or missing. I'm listening as if I where just learning this for first time.

Thanks in Advance for any help
 
There's a chance the injection pump is out of time to the engine IF the weight retainer is installed wrong, OR the drive shaft installed 1/2 turn off, meaning the dot marks on the pump end inside and the rotor drive don't align. Pump turns 1/2 engine speed like the camshaft does. There's also a chance the oil pump is installed 1/2 turn off too. This will throw off the timing by 1/2 on a correctly assembled pump. Neighborhood mechanic years ago put the oil pump in wrong on a JD 4020, and to "correct" his mistake he pulled the injection pump shaft and turned it 1/2 so the dots did not align as he did not want to pull the pan and correct the oil pump mistake. On your engine with the pump timing marks aligned, flywheel at 23 degrees, look at the # FOUR rocker arms, exhaust should be almost closed and intake ready to open. This is with a correctly assembled pump. If you see # ONE exhaust closing you're 180 off..
 

Anyone know the correct rotation for the 63 Ford 4000 4 cylinder diesel 172 cid? Cw or ccw clockwise or counter clockwise?
I feel like it should be clockwise since this would make the injector pump gear turn counter clockwise and that would most likely fix my problem. Then I would only have to replace starter with correct rotation assuming that's the correct direction of rotation for engine.
 
Hey diesel tech so I just got done checking on the timing to valves and my results confuse me. So with the flywheel at 23° btdc & cylinder 4 exhaust valve almost closed my pump timing lines are offset to the right of stationary line by about 1/8". For the Hell of it I, decided to see what it would show at 18°btdc & timing lines where almost aligned. This is really weird cause when I, set the timing before engine install, checking it twice. Both times showed it to be properly timed. What's going on here? How could the timing change like this?
 
Probably looks different because of backlash in the driveline. Post your complete pump # and I'll check for the correct timing. Early pumps were not timed at 23 degrees. Here's a way to verify the pump is ready to fire # one, remove the injection line for # one, and look into the banjo bolt hole. You should see the rotor port with the engine correctly set. If not then timing is off somewhere. If I have you really confused feel free to call some evening, five seven four eight nine three four one seven two, after seven is best. Be glad to visit with you.
 
lol thanks but no you haven't confused me yet. In fact I think I'm confusing my self trying to figure it out so much. I keep running it all thru mutt head and second guessing mutt self. I shouldn't do that I have a great deal of experience with engine work and I have good common sense.

So I just got done removing starter again and double checking where I had last set everything at and this is where it's at.. with flywheel at 23° injector pump timing lines are aligned and #4 exhaust valve is at the end of its closing motion and intake is beginning to open. Both #1 valves are closed and rocker arms loose. I'm gonna try spraying a little bite of ether in the air filter while turning the engine over. Yes I'm aware if I do this incorrectly or use to much I risk bending a piston rod or worse. I keep you up dated . Thanks again for your help this means a great deal to me truly.
 
WOO HOO 1 quick squirt of ether in the air filter and she fired right up. Oh man this is going to be a great fathers day. Now I just need to do the break in while I look for any leaks and final adjustments to valve lash and throttle like high speed and low idol. Make sure all hydraulics are functional and give it to my father on fathers day. Thanks for input from all I really appreciate it. God bless you all and happy fathers day to you.
 
Don't know anything hardly about these tractors but I just gotta say reading your posts I was hoping so bad you'd get it going in time, so glad you did!
 
thanks for the kind words
friend.
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Can anyone tell me if 80 psi oil pressure is bad and if so where might I want to start looking for issues.
 
Of the 4 engines I have been around 3 had 80 psi cold and would taper to 60 hot.
I consider 80 cold to be pretty typical for a 172.
 
Thanks for the input I spent a whole lot of money restoring this old girl for my father and I don't want it to break the first time it gets used.
 
Ran the tractor for 20 min this morning and as she warmed up the oil pressure came down to around 35/40 psi at idol but, would raise back up to 80 psi when I add throttle which in my experience with auto it's normal for the pressure to raise with acceleration maybe not so drastic but I feel like this is acceptable. Anyone have some insight/info wether or not this is fine? I can't wait to give my father the keys and say happy fathers day dad. Thanks guys for your help with my gift! Vary much appreciated.
 

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