Ford 3600-Year?

Jeepjeepster · Jan 30, 2016

Recently purchased a piece of land that came with a tractor. It appears to be in overall good condition. Appears to have always been stored in a barn. Trying to find all the info I can on the tractor. It seems to be more difficult than I imagined, but idk what year it is. Seem after 74, there isnt much info. I know its a 74-81, but cant find a decoder for the tractor number.

Also, can you download the operators manual or service manual anywhere? Or is buying a cd or manual from ebay the only choice? On jeep forums we have places to download such, but typically its kept hush hush.

Any advice/details/whatever is appreciated! Never owned a tractor but I enjoy working on stuff. They claim to have used it to bush hog the 25acres, but its completely empty on antifreeze. Hoping they didnt overheat it... We'll see

Jeepjeepster · Jan 30, 2016

Seems you cant edit, so Ill make another post.

Ive been looking at photos on where the lights are typically mounted. Most of the pics I see the lights are mounted down low on the front, but the holes are up high on this one. Where do they go? Can you buy original replicas or?

JoeM(GA) · Jan 30, 2016

unit number takes care of that
looks like 5L15B
5=1975
L=November
15= 15th day of month
b=second shift (afternoon)

serial number is also a 1975 one

Jeepjeepster · Jan 30, 2016

Awesome, thanks! Not sure why a quick google search didnt tell me that.

How do you know if it has a 6 or 8 speed tranny? I know its gas, but is there a site that has a break down of it all?

JoeM(GA) · Jan 30, 2016

the model# breaks that down for you -C4023C
C=3000 series
40=Utility tractor
2=gas
3=live pto
C=8 speed

on the tag -
the top number is of course the tractor serial number
the model# we have broken down here

the unit was the build date for the tractor going down the line

the transmission, engine, hydraulics, etc are the date codes that tells what day those sub-assemblies were built

Ultradog MN · Jan 30, 2016

It's definitely not a 3600.
I'm thinking it is a 3400 judging by the heavy non adjustable front axle and the piston type hydraulic pump.
Someone probably put a new nose and decals on it.
A 3400 is essentially a 3000. Both are a little older than a 3600 - built 65-75
3600s came out in 1976 and went till 83.
They're al basically the same tractor though so not a big deal.
It is a very good model

JoeM(GA) · Jan 30, 2016

OK, someone help me out, I've come back and looked at these pics several times, the axle is wrong, it has a genny instead of an alternator, is this a 3400 with some 3600 sheet metal on it? You need to look on the flat boss right above the starter and see if that set of numbers is different.

JoeM(GA) · Jan 30, 2016

Ultradog, you're on it, didn't notice the pump in my quick look. You've still got a good tractor there Jeep,
disregard my posted translations of the tag, they most likely will not be what the tractor is, only what the hood came off of.

Sean in PA · Jan 30, 2016

Looks like a 3400 with a 3600 nose cone on it to me.

Jeepjeepster · Jan 30, 2016

Well that upsets me a little. Ive always been one for originality. Now I want to know why the body panels needed to be replaced. I thought I had a good all original taken care of tractor. Glad I didnt jump and order manuals! I was on ebay looking at them.

Ill see if I can find any numbers above the starter.

John_PA · Jan 30, 2016

R4 tires in the rear, and if you look close, there is yellow paint peaking through the blue on the chassis. I don't think that hood is from that tractor. It was probably a sweeper tractor on a road crew and got the front end bashed in.

Sean in PA · Jan 31, 2016

(quoted from post at 00:04:11 01/31/16) Well that upsets me a little. Ive always been one for originality. Now I want to know why the body panels needed to be replaced. I thought I had a good all original taken care of tractor. Glad I didnt jump and order manuals! I was on ebay looking at them.

Ill see if I can find any numbers above the starter.

That sticker on the bottom of the hood says that it is a 1975 3400, which everything else on the tractor agrees with except for the grill and grill surround (nose cone) and the decals. So the hood is likely to be original to the tractor along with everything else except the nose cone and grill and decals, so if you want it to be "original" just replace the nose cone and grill and the decals. As to why they needed to be replaced, as others have said, it likely met with some sort of front end collision. The only other part I would have any concern about would be the radiator, as the original might have been damaged at the time the nosecone and grill were damaged, and the radiator might have been repaired or replaced when the nosecone was replaced. So I would check out the radiator to make sure it is functioning properly and if it has visible repairs make sure that they look clean and there's no solder blocking the cooling fins.

Sean in PA · Jan 31, 2016

Also, depending on what you plan to use it for, the 3400 may be a better tractor for you, especially if you are planning to put a front end loader on it, as the front axle on the 3400 is much heavier duty and is designed to take the extra stress of loader work. The plus for the 3600 would be the improved hydraulics, but that's about all. A 3400 can do just about anything that a 3600 can do but a 3600 wouldn't be able to handle front end loader work without at least much more frequent service to the front axle bearings and bushings.

Jeepjeepster · Jan 31, 2016

Grabbed some more pictures. There werent any numbers directly above the starter but I found some on the block. Also got some off the transmission and the rear axle.

Block

Block

Rear axle

Tranny

General views

How does the front loader work? I see where it would bolt up but how do the hydraulics hook up? Is that a front pto?

They are R4 tires.

Ultradog MN · Jan 31, 2016

The numbers you want ARE above the starter.
You may need to scrape away some paint or crud to see them.
Sometimes chalk or crayon helps to highlight them.
I think the numbers on the foil tag are correct but the ones we seek will verify
Your tractor was probably all Yellow when it came from the factory.
Early 3400s had Blue chassis and Yellow tin, fenders and rims..

xfarma · Jan 31, 2016

I think it has the right nose just the wrong grill, the light holes are in the right place for a tractor in the 70's.

Jeepjeepster · Jan 31, 2016

Gotcha, Ill take a wire brush next time Im out that way and clean that area off. Looks like its above where the front loader would bolt up just behind the starter.

It was certainly yellow at some point. Lots of flaking blue showing yellow.

Wish I could find more info on these. Not much at all turning up on google.

The ford 3600 decal is all painted on, its not a sticker. Is that normal?

Sean in PA · Jan 31, 2016

Is that a front pto?

That hole is where a drive shaft can be mounted to drive a front mounted hydraulic pump for a loader. The shaft would be connected to the crankshaft pulley via coupler.

Jeepjeepster · Feb 1, 2016

I've been looking at all I can on this thing. Wont be able to get back to the tractor till this coming weekend, and maybe not even then.

It seems that all of the 3600's have the air intake in the nose cone on the right side. The 3400 (and the 3000) has the intake in the hood on the left side near the rear portion of the hood.

The lights are also up high on all of the 3400 nose cones while the 3600 has them down low. I know at some point the tractor has been painted and the tag under the hood seems to match up to a 3400 'utility tractor.'

Wonder if for some reason they called the 3400 a 3600 for the last year? If someone painted the 3600 on their they did a fantastic job, so good I cant tell at all. Im not sure you could remove the tag on the underside of the hood (if the tag was right but had a 3600 hood on it) without destroying it, but maybe Im wrong.

Hard to find a front end loader for this thing! Don't see one anywhere.

RodinNS · Feb 1, 2016

I wouldn't overthink this too much. Someone smashed the old grill which is not too unusual. They replaced it with a 3600 grill and restriped the hood, incorrectly. It's as clear as can be by features and serial tag that it is fully a 3400 in every respect... from 15th May, 1975.

Rod

Ultradog MN · Feb 1, 2016

The 3600s had upgraded hydraulics. That
included a 8.4 gpm gear type hydraulic pump
with a screw on filter on it.
Your tractor has the typical 65-75 4.4 gpm
piston pump with no filter.
Also, the 3600 had TWO lift handles for the
3 point instead of the single lift handle
that yours undoubtedly has.
Your tractor is at least 40 years old so who
knows what all has been changed.
My 3000 has sheet metal from 5 different
tractors on it.
If your tractor was built from 76-83 it
wouldn't be a 3600 anyway. It would be a 335
which was the utility sister to the 3600.
PS,
The air filter cover in the right side nose
was used only on the diesels. 3600 gasser
had a filter cover in the left side hood
like the 3000s did -like yours has.
Lastly, you also have a generator which
indicates a 65-75. 1976 and onward used an
alternator.

Jeepjeepster · Feb 7, 2016

Got a chance to go look at the tractor again today. The numbers on top of the front loader mount match the tag under the hood. So thats good. The 3600 look like stickers, so Im agreeing with what most said that someone just stuck the stickers over the hood for whatever reason.

Lots of work to do to get this thing where I want it. Either someone winterized it or it has a lot of issues. It completely out of antifreeze. I couldnt find any cracks and all of the casting plugs appeared to be in. The gas tank is empty (and clean) and the battery is gone. Gotta figure out what size fits and Ill have to buy a hold down, had a rope right now. The oil is clean in the engine, so thats a plus. Left brake pedal stays mostly pushed in.

Ill probably go ahead and rebuild the carb, do a basic tuneup, change all the fluids, inspect/adjust/replace brakes, replace belts. Then go from there.

Carb tag. Glad thats still there. People usually throw those away

This ear is broke off. May try to find a used/new one.

Jeepjeepster · Feb 7, 2016

Seems it has a zeneth carb, guess thats a good thing as the holley seems to be problematic.

Forgot to ask, if I get a regular muffler will it fit this or? Someone took the muffler off for some reason.

Sean in PA · Feb 7, 2016

"Completely out of antifreeze".... see my earlier post about possible damage to the radiator when the grill was damaged and needed to be replaced. I would do a complete checkout of the cooling system.

John_PA · Feb 8, 2016

Looks like the tractor was originally owned by the Army Corps of Engineers. They usually take exceptionally good care of everything they own.

Jeepjeepster · Feb 8, 2016

Im hoping the radiator is ok but Ill check that all out when I can get it to my house.

I thought the same thing when I saw the corps sticker. Pretty neat really, makes it more interesting.

Jeepjeepster · May 20, 2016

After struggling with crap for almost 6 months, we finally got the land (and the tractor). Fiddled with it some last weekend and found out some idiot had cut both the hard line going to the fuel pump and the hard line going to the carb. Hate it when people do that, cant get the threads started so they cut the line.... The hose coming from the fuel tank had rotted, though the fuel pump was bad but it fired right up after replacing that bad hose. Ordered a new fuel pump anyway...

Does anyone know if a front end loader for a ford 3600 will work on a 3400? Local place has one for $750 but Ive not looked at it yet. I imagine its made for hydraulic hookups and doesnt have its own pump... I was hoping to find one that worked off the front PTO.

Jeepjeepster · May 20, 2016

Kills me that I cant edit my post.

Anyway, local guy said the loader came off a 3600 like I said before. It needs hydraulic hookups and does not work off the front PTO. Guy claims it takes 20 min to put hydraulic hookups on a 3000 and he could take them off the 3600 and put them on a 3000. Is that accurate? I have no clue how to put hydraulic hookups on a 3000 (well mine is a 3400)... Got my research to do.

Sean in PA · May 20, 2016

If he was running the loader off of an adapter plate or remote valve on the 3 point top plate on the 3600, that setup should work on your 3400 as well, but the hydraulic pump on your 3400 3 point hydraulics has much less flow that the 3600, so you will probably not like the slowness of the operation of the loader with it setup like that.

Jeepjeepster · May 20, 2016

(quoted from post at 07:23:21 05/20/16) If he was running the loader off of an adapter plate or remote valve on the 3 point top plate on the 3600, that setup should work on your 3400 as well, but the hydraulic pump on your 3400 3 point hydraulics has much less flow that the 3600, so you will probably not like the slowness of the operation of the loader with it setup like that.

From quickly searching thats what Ive been reading. I would love to find a factory ford front end loader with the wilson(is that right?) pump that mounts to the front. Think Ill hold off for now and hope I can find one...

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