Screw replacement holding points baseplate

Hi, I had a problem with my 861 gas tractor running rough and hard to start over time. I found that one of the two screws holding the baseplate for the contact breaker pts in the distributor had stripped threads. I couldn't tighten it down and over time the breaker gap would change. So I found the closest self-tapping screw to replace the stripped screw. Unfortunately it is maybe one-eighth inch longer than the original screw. Will this much extra length be a problem with hitting anything in the distributor? I could grind down if needed, but just wondering if ok as is. Thanks
 
Yep likely to hit the advancement weights in the distributor and cause odd problems. Ford/Hew Holland should list that screw but ya likely to be priced pretty high for what it is
 
Do you have a pair of electrician pliers for crimping / striping wires?
If you do - look at those small holes near the hing pin. they are threaded and have #s for screw size and are used for cutting screws to
length. I hope that makes sense.
 
"baseplate " ???? What does that mean? The points or maybe the round plate the makes up the interior of distributor above the mechanical advance mechanism to which the points & condenser mount?
 
(quoted from post at 00:49:05 12/04/15) Yes get the right length screw or grind it down so it does not hit the advance weights.

Or you could just go to any Tisco dealer; including this web site; and buy a new plate with a new set of points and condenser for about $40.
ohn, the reason I was trying to get him to 'splain a bit more is that if he is trying to describe the breaker plate, vs the points themselves, then those screws will never encounter the advance mechanism.. He needs clarity.
 
JMOR
I had to think about this for a minute to try and figure out what you were saying; but yes I agree.

You are trying to decide if he is talking about the 2 screws that hold the plate to the distributor base OR the 2 screws that hold the points to the plate.

If it is the 2 screws that hold the plate to the base then yes just get a bigger screw and drive it home.
The only other option there is to replace the whole distributor.

BUT

If he is talking about the 2 screws that hold the points to the plate then there is a chance of the spinning weights hitting the screw if it is to long. If this is what he is talking about; and it were me; I would just replace the whole plate for $40 and be done with it. But then again I do not know his financial situation so I gave him the advise to just grind the screw down. But then again thinking about it grinding the screw down causes more problems when you try to get this ground screw out in the future to replace the point; messing the plate threads up even more; making it to where even this bigger screw does not hold. Heck bite the bullet and just replace the plate and be done with it.
 
(quoted from post at 21:10:17 12/03/15) "baseplate " ???? What does that mean? The points or maybe the round plate the makes up the interior of distributor above the mechanical advance mechanism to which the points & condenser mount?


The O/P is referring to the breaker plate.Not to difficult to figure it out!
 
(quoted from post at 14:42:39 12/04/15)
(quoted from post at 21:10:17 12/03/15) "baseplate " ???? What does that mean? The points or maybe the round plate the makes up the interior of distributor above the mechanical advance mechanism to which the points & condenser mount?


The O/P is referring to the breaker plate.Not to difficult to figure it out!
.S., GV! Why oh wise one don't you tell us your not difficult way of knowing?
 
(quoted from post at 11:49:51 12/04/15)
(quoted from post at 14:42:39 12/04/15)
(quoted from post at 21:10:17 12/03/15) "baseplate " ???? What does that mean? The points or maybe the round plate the makes up the interior of distributor above the mechanical advance mechanism to which the points & condenser mount?


The O/P is referring to the breaker plate.Not to difficult to figure it out!
.S., GV! Why oh wise one don't you tell us your not difficult way of knowing?


No problem-I've been inside a distributer before!
 
(quoted from post at 15:20:07 12/04/15)
(quoted from post at 11:49:51 12/04/15)
(quoted from post at 14:42:39 12/04/15)
(quoted from post at 21:10:17 12/03/15) "baseplate " ???? What does that mean? The points or maybe the round plate the makes up the interior of distributor above the mechanical advance mechanism to which the points & condenser mount?


The O/P is referring to the breaker plate.Not to difficult to figure it out!
.S., GV! Why oh wise one don't you tell us your not difficult way of knowing?


No problem-I've been inside a distributer before!
een in a bunch of them, but that does not make me a mind reader!
The man said, ".. two screws holding the baseplate for the contact breaker pts...", and since he didn't use the proper name, breaker plate, then it follows that he might also not recognize that the lower portion of the points is not called 'baseplate for the contact breaker pts'. Now, we can all guess like you did & maybe be correct, or ask for clarification, as I did. One way he may have a problem & the other he does not, so why not be sure before advising? I prefer certainty over guessing, which means that I seldom give bad advice. Keep on guessing & I'll keep on asking for clarification when the poster does not use defining terminology. He may not return & if he does & says, " yes, I meant breaker plate", then you can claim that you are either a mind reader or a good guesser & I will credit you for that, but not much else.
 

Seems pretty clear to me.The O P is referring to the breakerplate .Go back and read the original post and see if you can come up with an alternative.
 
(quoted from post at 17:52:15 12/04/15)
Seems pretty clear to me.The O P is referring to the breakerplate .Go back and read the original post and see if you can come up with an alternative.
bviously myself & one other poster did and we have covered both possibilities for the questioner. What have you contributed?
 
Now Now boys play nice.

Lets try to clear this up.
Here is a picture so you can follow along.


a207272.jpg


The original poster said;
I found that one of the two screws holding the baseplate for the contact breaker pts in the distributor had stripped threads.

OK so lets assume he meant;
I found that one of the two screws holding the "breaker plate" for the contact breaker pts in the distributor had stripped threads

If you read that word for word he is saying 1 of the two red screw holes in the picture are stripped as he said "screws holding the baseplate"
If this is true he can use a larger screw without fear of hitting anything as long as the screw does not bottom out in the hole.

Everyone here; except JMOR; read that to mean 1 of the 2 green screws.
These screws do not hold the plate down so we may be assuming wrong because he said "screws holding the baseplate"
But if he did mean the green screws that hold the points to the plate then he could use a screw to long and hit the rotating weights under it.
 
(quoted from post at 18:21:31 12/04/15) Now Now boys play nice.

Lets try to clear this up.
Here is a picture so you can follow along.


<img src="http://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/uptest/a207272.jpg">

The original poster said;
I found that one of the two screws holding the baseplate for the contact breaker pts in the distributor had stripped threads.

OK so lets assume he meant;
I found that one of the two screws holding the "breaker plate" for the contact breaker pts in the distributor had stripped threads

If you read that word for word he is saying 1 of the two red screw holes in the picture are stripped as he said "screws holding the baseplate"
If this is true he can use a larger screw without fear of hitting anything as long as the screw does not bottom out in the hole.

Everyone here; except JMOR; read that to mean 1 of the 2 green screws.
These screws do not hold the plate down so we may be assuming wrong because he said "screws holding the baseplate"
But if he did mean the green screws that hold the points to the plate then he could use a screw to long and hit the rotating weights under it.
hank you, John.
 

If one of the BP retainer screws are loose, even removed, the BP won't move enough to change timing or point gap unless one or the other was set at their high or low limit, also I don't think the advance weights will move out far enough for screw length to be an interference concern with advance weights.Until or unless the OP chimes in and verifies which screw(s) he is referring to I maintain he is referring to the points hold down screws.
 
(quoted from post at 21:00:25 12/04/15)
If one of the BP retainer screws are loose, even removed, the BP won't move enough to change timing or point gap unless one or the other was set at their high or low limit, also I don't think the advance weights will move out far enough for screw length to be an interference concern with advance weights.Until or unless the OP chimes in and verifies which screw(s) he is referring to I maintain he is referring to the points hold down screws.
hat the H? Did you just do an about face??
"The O/P is referring to the breaker plate.Not to difficult to figure it out!"...from you earlier. :roll:
 
Hi all, sorry for the confusion, though everyone made really good points (no pun intended) and I appreciate the responses.

Thanks to John in LA for the helpful pic. The screws I was referring to are the GREEN ones that John highlighted.

I caused confusion by calling the small "platform" that the breaker points are attached to as a "baseplate".

Looking at the threads of the screw, it doesn't look bad to me as if it were stripped, so I am assuming the threads in the screwhole are what are stripped. It just occurrred to me that I could try swapping the two screws and see if the problem persists in the same screwhole, before buying a new points set (though they may be fried anyway at this point) or tapping it for a slightly larger screw.
 
OK lets go threw what we now know.

The screws you are having trouble with are the ones I highlighted green.
Those are the points mounting or hold-down screws.

Some things you have said so for......

"before buying a new points set"
Buying a new set of points will do nothing. The threads are in the breaker plate.

"caused confusion by calling the small "platform" that the breaker points are attached to as a "baseplate"
No what caused the confusion is that you said "screws holding the baseplate" That is the red screws.
The green screw are the screws holding the points.

So your options now are.....
1) Tap out the plate to a bigger size screw and hope that screw fits threw the screw hole in the points.
2) Buy a new "base plate" "breaker plate" "just plain old plate" what ever you want to call it for $40.00
The plate comes with a new set of points and a new condenser if you get it from a Tisco dealer.

I do not feel that putting in a over length self tapping screw and grinding it down will work.
You need to be able to get this screw out in the future to change the points.
That's why I just suggest changing the plate and being done with it.
 
Thanks John.
I was mistaken in what I thought you meant was to buy a "points set" which would supply new breaker holding screws. I didn't know the terminology for the parts, but do now. I see now you suggested buying the whole breaker plate which includes the points. After your last post, I checked and found it here on this website (#FAD12152A). I'll probably just go that route and get the new breaker plate given the negatives for trying to tap a new screw. Thanks
 

No, I didn't do a 180.I said the OP is talking about the breaker plate.It's the only thing that has threaded holes that could strip.The points don't have threaded holes nor does the condenser.The holes for the breaker plate retention screws aren't threaded either.those screws go into the dist. bowl. I never have seen them strip.The points hold down or condenser hold down-both the holes and the screws will strip.
 

No, I didn't do a 180.I said the OP is talking about the breaker plate.It's the only thing that has threaded holes that could strip.The points don't have threaded holes nor does the condenser.The holes for the breaker plate retention screws aren't threaded either.those screws go into the dist. bowl. I never have seen them strip.The points hold down or condenser hold down-both the holes and the screws will strip.
 
(quoted from post at 08:50:02 12/05/15)
No, I didn't do a 180.I said the OP is talking about the breaker plate.It's the only thing that has threaded holes that could strip.The points don't have threaded holes nor does the condenser.The holes for the breaker plate retention screws aren't threaded either.those screws go into the dist. bowl. I never have seen them strip.The points hold down or condenser hold down-both the holes and the screws will strip.
ell, GVS, I guess you are just playing games now, as initially he said, " I found that one of the two screws [b:1fcf501de5]holding the baseplate[/b:1fcf501de5] for the contact breaker pts in the distributor had stripped threads. "
First You said, "The O/P is referring to the breaker plate.Not to difficult to figure it out!" Yes, base plate, the [u:1fcf501de5]screws holding the[/u:1fcf501de5] [u:1fcf501de5]baseplate[/u:1fcf501de5]
Then later you said, "Seems pretty clear to me.The O P is referring to the breakerplate".

ALL sticking to screws holding the base/breaker plate, up until : "Until or unless the OP chimes in and verifies which screw(s) he is referring to I maintain he is referring to the points hold down screws."
SUDDENLY, now it is the points hold down screws!!!
Now, my friend, that is a flip flop. As I said immediately, clarification was needed & clearly it was. For whatever reason, so many posters just 'assume' and answer, without knowing all the facts. You have a better day today, now, ya hear.
:)
 

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