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Larry B 1486

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I had a post about one month ago about adjustment on a 9700 clutch. The clutch is adjusted correct but the gears still keep running causing have to grind the gears to shift it. The clutch feels good and does not slip. The free travel is set correct. After the oil gets hotter the worse it gets trying to shift it. There has been times I would have to shut the motor off and then change gears. Do these tractors have a transmission break to adjust? Any ideas on what could be the problem? It does it shifting the HI-LO also.
 
There is no transmission brake in this tractor. If the gears do not eventually come to a stop (I'll assume you're waiting at least 5 seconds minimum), then the issue has to be with the clutch, or clutch related components. Either the disc damper springs are coming apart and jamming up against the flywheel, or possibly the pilot bearing in front of the clutch is starting to seize up. This would also cause what you describe.

One important point to keep in mind is that this tranny is NOT synchronized, meaning it will always grind going into gear if you don't wait an adequate amount of time for the gears to roll to a stop.
 
Thanks for your reply Bern. I have been leaning toward clutch problems. I was at a New Holland dealership this past Wednesday and was talking to the service manager asking him about this problem also. He mentioned that the 9700 had a synchronizer between 3rd and 4th for shifting on the go but having to use the clutch to do so. I have never heard of that before so that thru me for a loop with him saying that could be a problem as well. Would you or anyone know if this is correct.
 
Sorry, the service manager is incorrect. There are NO synchros of any kind inside of that transmission. Even if there was a synchro between 3rd and 4th, I fail to see how it would help with the problem you have.

Does the trans continue to grind gears no matter how long you wait to shift? If so, the problem is most definitely in the clutch area. If the grinding stops within 3-5 seconds after pushing in the clutch, all is normal.
 
Yes the gears keep running no matter how long you wait. We have had this tractor for around 25 years. Today, it's just used on the bush hog. I don't know where that service manager got that from but having the tractor for that many years I thought I would have heard or read about that. Thanks for your help
 
I HAD THE SAME THING WITH MY 5900 FORD, CLUTCH NEVER SLIPED BUT ALWAY GRINDS THE GEARS AFTER TRAN OIL GOT WARM. REPLACED THE CLUTCH & BEARING, SHOP SAID THE CLUTCH WAS WARPED. $600 FIX MY PROBLEMS
 
One more thing that could cause your issue is a fractured PTO drive shaft near the front splines. This is the shaft that runs through the inside of the middle of the trans and drives the PTO in the rear. If this shaft is split or fractured, it will try and drive the trans input shaft all of the time. Usually though when this happens, it's so bad that the tractor won't even stop when you have it in gear.

My bet is on a seized pilot bearing though. If so, you may wish to tackle this issue sooner rather than later, as it will eventually eat away at the trans input shaft.
 
Larry I would for sure go along with what Bern says. We had 3 9700's for 25 years and other Ford's before that and they performed very well. One little thing I did to our 9700's a couple years after we had them was add 4 to 6 inch extension to the trans shifting lever and the hi-lo lever. Made them so much easier to shift.
 
I bet you felt like you just got done rowing a boat after doing that! Should not have been necessary. If the linkage is properly adjusted, the only thing even remotely hard to get into is park.
 
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