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cliff4079

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Hey guys, drained my trans and diff. Was wondering how to know when it's full? I went through my shop manual but can't seem to find it. I think I over filled it, I haven't driven it but a bunch of fluid came out of what I gather to be a hole to see the flywheel? Sorry to keep bugging everyone, I tried to figure it out on my own, just want to be sure. I attached a pic of where the fluid dumped out of for verification.
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Does that for sure mean that that seal is bad or should I verify proper fill level and see if it still leaks from there?
 
Routine maintenance items like oil changes are covered better in the Operator's (Owner's) Manual than they are in the Service manual. I believe that there's a level check plug on the right side of the transmission case. You fill it through the top plug next to the shifter until it just begins to drip out of the level check plug on the side.
 

Found the plug, thanks. As far as what you said about a manifold I have no clue what you are talking about lol. There is a hydraulic pump running off the front of the engine if that is what you mean.

Thanks again!
 
There is a manifold that would be connected to the bottom of your pump and bolted to that area your photo shows.
From the photo it looks like you are missing the O rings. They may be stuck on the manifold side. They could be
cracked or worn which could cause a leak.
There are three separate drains under the tractor and three separate fill caps. Fluids are 6qts trans, 8qts
hydraulic, 11 1/2 qts rear
 
Cliff,

The pump on the front of the tractor is for the loader. There should be another pump on the right side of the engine back by the flywheel that powers the 3 point lift. The hydraulic reservoir for the 3 point system is back between the transmission and rear axle and that tube in your picture where the fluid is running out of, and the smaller one next to it, pass through the transmission from the 3 point hydraulic reservoir to the front of the transmission, which is where you see it dripping out. There should be a manifold that connects those two tubes to the pump. If you added fluid to the trans and fluid started coming out of that tube then either the tube itself has holes in it where it passes through the bottom of the transmission, or the seal between the transmission and hydraulic reservoir is leaking, or if it is actually dripping around the tube and not from the inside of it, then it might be leaking around the tube itself, but from what I can see in that picture it's dripping from the inside of the tube.
 
take a look under the draglink on this rowcrop. see the pump and the manifold.


and a seperate pic of a pump and manifold
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Directly under you pump should be a curved pipe that extends down then under your tractor body to bolt to your area that is leaking. That is the manifold refered to.
Soundguy has a picture of it separate from tractor.
 
If you look at soundguy's photos you will see the pump under the steering rod. If you do not have this pump
than you will either have a small plate covering that area or you will have a piece there that will have a wire
on the back end that runs up to the proofmeter gauge on the dash. If you have either one of these and don't
have a pump than there would have been a plate covering the leaking holes. You can make up a plate to cover it
but you will still need the O rings to seal it or it will leak.
If you don't have the side pump and the 3pt wasn't used it would have still been possible to run and operate
the machine with the holes open and no fluid in the hydraulic case. It's not what I would have done cause once
those lines rust thru and leak in the case they are a PIA to fix.
If you need the cover here is the part #NCA-7306-A. O ring are #87035-S94 and #8755-S92

Kirk
 
looks like a block off plate and no pump to me. I would like to potentially use the 3 point at some point. Is it possible to still get this pump and tube? Also, must have been the fluid from the 3 point dumping out. I put fluid in there too, just not a lot because I ran out so I figured it had to be trans fluid.
 
that looks like the tach drive with a stub of the cable sticking out, but you don't have the pump. The pump is no longer available new, but you probably wouldn't want to go that route anyway, as the price shows as over $2300.00 on messicks.com if it were available. You can find completely rebuilt ones from various sources around the internet for a lot less. Here's a remanufactured pump on ebay with a "buy it now" price of $599.00 plus $20.00 shipping:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-Tracto...pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e9f186349

And here's a manifold tube that's on auction at $99.00 but nobody's bid on it yet:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ford-861-80...pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item33a3a5af7f

You'll still need the o-rings and the gasket that goes under the pump where it mounts to the engine which I think also acts as a spacer to get the gears that drive the pump to properly mesh with the ring gear.
 
awesome, thanks. It didn't occur to me to check ebay. I found some parts on there and placed some bids. You guys are the best. Thanks a ton.
 
Yes it's possible to pick up a pump, manifold, gasket, O rings. I did notice in one of your photos maybe the yoke or
spring is missing. Post a better photo of the top cover behind the seat where the rod comes out.

Kirk
 
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