Billy NY

Well-known Member
So in my quest for another tractor, I've come across a 3000, gas, manual trans, assuming the 8speed. Municipal tractor, 3 pt lift arms, and associated parts for are same gone, but I believe the pins are there on the rear housing and the rockshaft is present, so I assume it had a complete 3 pt hitch, I would just have to come up with the 2 lift arms, and the control arm on the left side to the rock shaft, I have a level box for a thousand series on the shelf. Would 00/01 lift arms work on a 3000 ? PTO shaft is missing, but it has a lever, rear does have a the threaded cover on it. Nice tin actually too. Its possible to be a fixer upper, I could swap tires from my 850, power steering is what I am after here really.

I'm trying to figure out if this one has live pto/ 2 stage clutch, that I can install a pto shaft as is, slide it in.

What was the bare bones non live pto, 3000 model and how could I tell if a 3000 would accept a pto, or has the 2 stage clutch/live pto owner does not know that much about it etc. Not sure if there is a tag under the hood, could post back if I look at it.

This one would solve my needs for a tractor in the interim, and not cost me nearly what I am really after. This one is a non runner, the price reflects that, not seized, could just be the fuel system. I don't know if it has a zillion hours on it or not, whats a 3 cylinder gas overhaul cost roughly if anyone knows? Live pto would be nice, but I could easily deal with one without it, but do need a pto for sure.

We have a 3600 diesel, familiar with that one for the most part, but how is fuel consumption on a 3 cylinder gas ? It probably don't matter with my useage, but I've never owned a 3 cyl gas model.
 
If you post the 3 lines of code found on the transmission - just above and behind tthe starter someone can tell you what transmission/pto options it originally came with.
3000s are good tractors. More expensive to overhaul than your 850 because they came unsleeved from the factory so you have to bore them. Gas pistons are expensive. Like about $160 each. The rest of the engine parts aren't bad - rings, bearings, gaskets, etc.
Rebuild will cost somewhere around $1500 + if you have to grind the crank, bore, parts, valves, etc. - if you do the assembly
Tires, 3 point parts and hyd remote valves will interchange with your 850.
Gasser will eat more fuel than a diesel but for most of us that isn't a big factor.
Gasser is much more pleasent to drive compared to a stinky, noisy diesel.
Points are kind of a pia compared to an 850.
Holley carbs on them are lame and a new Zenith will run you $300+ but will make a nice running tractor out of it.
I wont say it's much of an upgrade from an 850 though. A bit heavier, and to me they seem easier to work on. A couple less ponies maybe.
Differential lock - if it has it - is a great feature.
Did you say it does have PS? That is a must have for me anymore.
Get us some photos of it and we could tell you more.

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Jerry highly appreciated, you know these pretty well, and its a bit of a quandary given the information I have, but.... I think you'd be all over this one too, given what you have posted here. It could work out, and I've got to get something done in regards to a tractor no matter what I decide.

Good to know these are stamped like the hundred series in the same place. Its and early 70's, and I assume the stickers under the hood came with the 75 and up models.

Yes, it has power steering, I'd post a link to the ad, but I'd hate to have that work against me, if you get my drift. Power steering is a must for sure, you would not believe how long I've run this 850 like it is. 3 pt. brakes, and some other things I know can be swapped, though I think there is something with the level boxes on these that don't swap, maybe the threaded rod with the pinion gear on the end, the rest should, and is not hard to find or expensive.

It sounds like it sat long enough to have fuel issues, but at this price I am willing to take a chance, if it turns out to need major work, its likely I can get most of that done, have used machine shops in the past, but with some help and advice, I should be able to do the tear down and assembly of a 3 cylinder. Good to know in regards to rough numbers on the main parts of one of these engines.

I'm going to call the seller and arrange to see this tractor, so I may just post that stamped information from my phone, would be really nice to know the specifics, could be its just missing parts, needs work to get running and tires, which I have and can swap over.


850 of mine needs a lot of work, and I may decide to set it up to go through it, but for now, for what it would cost me to do that, same money into a 3000 would seem to be a slightly better deal, and I'll finally have power steering LOL !!
 
Seller was able to read these numbers off the flat spot, not sure if they are complete, or any casting numbers, I am leaving to go look at it, but here goes;

DJ30B ( D could be zero from what he said)

K7008

C7NN 6015 AH

Again, I'll take a close look, sounds as if I could close this one, so off I go...

Much appreciated !
 
Those numbers are no good, or at least I can't make them out.
I think I found your tractor though.
Not a bad looking old beast.
Hard to believe there is no pto shaft. I wonder if he just didn't know it has the cover on it.
Don't forget the old saying about the devil you know vs the devil you don't know.
Buy this and have two tractors that need a bundle of dough put into them.
It is hard to believe you couldn't get that much for your 850 though. Even if yours is rough.

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C7NN 6015 AH did not come from the flat spot that Jerry was referring to. It is a raised casting number on the side of the engine block. Everything I can find on that block number says that it is the 158 ci gas engine that was used in both the 2000 and 3000 series tractors.

DJ30B doesn't look like anything meaningful, but if it is 0J30B then it would be a production code of September 30, 1970 during the day shift, but since the other number came from the engine block and not the flat spot, then this number could have come from anywhere and could be the production code for any major component, not for the tractor itself, but still the tractor would have likely been assembled within a few months later at the most.

K7008 doesn't mean anything either.

The flat spot on the 3 cylinders is basically the same as on the earlier 4 cylinder models, but it is on the right side instead of the left.

The foil stickers on the under side of the right hood panel actually started in late 1967 I believe, as that is the earliest tractor that I am aware of that still has one.

You can download my Ford tractor model reference PDF here:

You should be able to use it to figure out from the model number exactly what trans and PTO options it has while you're there looking at the tractor. The second page should be all that you need to print and take with you:

http://nouveauredneck.mywebcommunit...2/Ford-Tractor-Model-Information-Version3.pdf
 
That is the one, funny you found it. I have the numbers off the tag:

Tractor number 0288464

Model C1023C

Unit 0L05B

Engine 0J17A

Trans 0J30B

Hyd. Pump 0J30B

Rear Axle 0K01B

Hyd. Lift 0J24B

When I get home I'll post more about it, tough call, price is ok, just not sure about the above and what it would take to make it field ready, she looks like a municipal unit for sure, not sure what issues it has being a non runner, I did this once already with that 850, probably don't want to repeat it if by chance the repairs needed are too numerous. Lot of little and typical things, that don't concern me, just the big ticket items.
 
Sean thank you, much appreciated,
just posted the numbers off the
hood tag, took a photo of it too,
not sure how to post from phone.
 
Tractor number 0288464 - Most likely C288464 which is a late 1970 serial number

Model C1023C - 3000 general purpose ag chassis tractor with gas engine, live PTO and 8 speed transmission

Unit 0L05B - Production code for when the tractor left the assembly line, which was November 5, 1970 day shift.

The rest are production codes for the individual major components.

Engine 0J17A - September 17, 1970 midnight shift

Trans 0J30B - September 30, 1970 day shift

Hyd. Pump 0J30B - September 30, 1970 day shift

Rear Axle 0K01B - October 1, 1970 day shift

Hyd. Lift 0J24B - September 24, 1970 day shift.
 
Well I looked it over, tough one to make a call on, not afraid of doing a build, but if it drags on, and I need a working tractor, not so good.

Front pivot pin looks to have its bushing intact, not too much play in the front spindle wheel bearings, though the top of one spindle was welded to the short arm that connects to the long drag link, minor issue.

Power steering reservoir was low or empty, I could see signs of leaks near steering column, lines or fittings, not sure if the pump is good and the column good, cylinders looked clean, no rust, and looked dry. NO way to tell about the 2 stage clutch, tractor hydraulics, engine, or trans. One axle seal is likely leaking, might be both saw signs of that on the axle housing ends. Brakes seemed ok. Differential lock engages easily, same with PTO lever. Tin not bad, bottom of thr front was cut, for the broom, but looks thick enough to fab something to make it whole again, rest of the tin seemed nice and straight, just looks though LOL. Will need a new seat and rear tires are about done, but the rims are good no CACL loaded tires, 3 point is missing, same with pto shaft, but maybe there is one under the cover that is threaded onto the housing. Engine oil was relatively clean, no coolant or contamination. Radiator core, lower end of it the fins were missing an inch or 2 up for almost the width of the radiator. Looks like you could have it re-cored, keep the reservoirs.

Price is fair for a non running 3000 of unknown condition, the unknowns concern me, engine clutch, power steering components, tractor hydraulics and trans. Not sure what a field ready one typically goes for, but it seems you could be in for more than that if it needs work on all of those items.

One slightly bent drag link, but not the radius arm that attaches to the front axle, and there may have been some play on one or more of the ball joints, over all did not seem too excessive though, would have to run and have the steering system operational to see.

One of those things you get what you pay for, and not see the light at the end of the tunnel for awhile LOL !
 
I would agree, and that saying is usually quite true about the devil you know and the one you don't. 850 would likely bring around the same, given what it needs, also being LP, non factory, when I bought it, the listing was there a long time, no one wanted the LP for some reason, I got my moneys worth out of it, but time for an overhaul now.

I forwarded the above information to the seller, he was really pleasant to speak with, so at least that's a help to him, would not effect the price, we talked about that, not an issue there at least.

Its just hard to predict how a build would go on one like this, sure you can get just about everything for these, some items are expensive, would take me longer on my budget too, just thought it may be worth a look to find something I could repair then use without getting into a full blown rebuild, wouldn't have to sell the car etc., but I think at this point in time I'm ok with it, practically speaking, I need a good tractor more than a fast car LOL !
 
Did you unscrew the pto cover and see if there was a shaft in there? That is the FIRST thing I would have done.
If it spent it's life on a sweeper and there's no 3 point it might well have never been used.
And it seems you'd have a LOT of leakage if there was no pto shaft as that cover wouldn't seal well.
The power steering isn't anything to worry about - IF they didn't run the pump with no oil for too long.
A new pump is about $250 on ebay. The top seal in the column is a known failure item. But it is pretty simple to repair and only about $25 for two seals and a couple of Orings.
Double clutch is a worry. New one is about $400.
But... if it never was used you might find it's good. The pto clutch is the one that usually fails first. So you might get by with a new drive disc if the pto was never run. Again, I would have unscrewed that cover. You might have found a new unused shaft under there. The safety shroud still intact makes me think that way too. Those got wrecked or taken off pretty quickly if they used the pto at all. No drawbar hanger on it. I have one here if you buy it.
Axle seals is a dealer job unless you can make the special tools. That cost me about $200 10 years ago but I would make the tools myself if I did it again.
What is wrong with the seat? The bucket looks ok from here.
Cheap seat at TSC is only $100. But it does all add up.
 
Hey Billy, did you buy that 3000? I had been considering looking at that tractor before you posted on here and I see now that the listing has been deleted. If you got it, I hope you have good luck with it.

Dan
 

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