4500 backhoe

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Any opinions on this animal I bought. Anyone out there have
extra buckets? I have an engine to put in it if needed

My father looked at it and thought pins were tight and that with
some cleaning and tlc could be an animal. Grill is there but
not in pics. Was told it sat and engine turns a little but not all
the way.
Code says 1975 4500 with independent pto

All comments appreciated.

Thanks. Jason.
 
Well, I'm not too thrilled with the idiot who chained up the backhoe by ignoring the chain slots. Chains go between keyhole slots on the dipper (clearly visible here) to keyhole slots on the stabilizers.

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Auto-level bucket control (the sliding piston on right) looks to be about halfway - if frozen there you may need to sort that out.

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If that says 19-390, this is hoe is probably older than the tractor. That is noted as "replaced by 19-551" and a '75 is a very late 4500. It's the basic 15 foot hoe.

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The way that sits, I bet the bushing at the end of the dipperstick is shot. The ones in the bucket are probably missing, too. If there are not two sets of holes where the link attaches to the bucket it's not in my parts book. I don't see two, in the second picture below.

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That bucket just has the light metal in the bottom rusted out - shouldn't be too bad to repair. Though the cutting edge looks like it was moron-ificated and may need to be cut out and replaced. Maybe you can find a better one in a junkyard, but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
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depends how bad it is and what you've got. I have found myself wanting (and don't have) a portable boring bar more than once. I have kludged things when I could not do them right. The dipper you can probably get off and to a regular machine shop if the bushing bore is damaged (ie, if the bushing wore all the way through and the pin has been grinding a hole where the bushing is supposed to live.) If the bore is OK it's mostly the fun of getting the old ones out and the fun of paying for new ones. If the bore is damaged you need to repair the bore.

The older hoe actually makes sense, if this has the IPTO it probably came from the factory without a hoe. By the way the loader is a 740 - the only loader that ever came with a 4500 was a 740, and the only tractor a 740 fits is a 4500. It's a beast.

If you had a use for it you could (once operational) use the hoe to take itself off and park it (15 minutes or so if everything will respond to a wrench - days, sometimes, with old frozen fasteners) and put on 3-point lower arms and use it as a 3-point tractor.


Get a vat of antiseize and use it on everything you don't put locktite on.
 
Animal is the word. I have an older one and it is a powerful digger. It actually has too much power and you should look for cracks in the loader and hoe. I've used newer Fords and the hydraulic power seemed to be reduced. Didn't dig as well but no frame cracks.
 
You are, of course, correct, xfarma - brainfart and/or typo on my part. I've fixed that.

You can turn the power down yourself by altering the relief valve setting - and _some_ probably cracked in part from being turned up rather than down or set correctly - but enough of them are either cracked, or patched so you know they were cracked, to indicate a design flaw or two.

JF could share his joystick conversion pics, though I have to admit that after learning on the 4-stick I actually was not overfond of the joystick machine I had to rent at one point (time crunch and the old girl took a dive on me.) It was a neat job, though, and I suppose if I ever did it I could probably get used to it eventually.

If you have to swap the engine, be sure to get the 4500 oil pan (it's a heavy cast structural part) off the current engine.
 
So after fixing many things I am going to look for a backhoe
bucket. Are they somewhat standard or do I have to find a
bucket for a ford 4500 backhoe? What buckets fit? Go by
size of pin and width of mounting point?

Thanks for the responses so far. A lot of great info. I will look
it over closely.
 

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