Tony-1964--4000 Sleeves

Miner 09

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4000 4 cyl. came from factory with sleeves. Go to NH web above.
 
If you go to the diesel engine section, the only sleeve that it shows as an oem part is for the 144 ci engine.

The link was for an overhaul kit, which probably recommends sleeves .vs overbore w/o sleeves.

I know its been posted here that several machine shops refuse to overbore w/o sleeves due to the blocks becoming porus and failing w/o the sleeves.

While I can't say for sure on a diesel, I did just have my 4cyl gas 172 apart, and it did not have any sleeves in it. As far as I know I was the first one to have it apart that far.

Thats in a 1964 4000 Industrial SOS.
 
1964 172 engines do NOT have OEM sleeves.

You do not believe? Take yours apart and post back.

Dean
 
(quoted from post at 09:35:47 02/19/15) Any block that is designed to except a spin-on only, oil filter , has no factory sleeves

Care to qualify that very broad general statement any? Are you referring to just pre-1965 Ford 4 cylinder tractor engines?
 
(quoted from post at 21:24:30 02/18/15) http://partstore.agriculture.newholland.com/us/parts-search.html#epc::mr60169ar361956bi20547
4000 4 cyl. came from factory with sleeves. Go to NH web above.

By golly, ya know I want to see pics of the actual inside of one of these. I'm still skeptical, but . . . EAF6055D LINER Sleeve, Cylinder Block, 172", Prior to S/N 153009, Years: 01-JAN-58-31-DEC-61 4
30 B3NN6055B LINER Sleeve, Cylinder Block, Finished, 172", After S/N 153009, Years: 01-JAN-58-31-DEC-61
(4000-SERIES) - 4 CYL AG TRACTOR (1/62-12/64) > (06B01) - DIESEL ENGINE ASSEMBLY OUTSIDE, 134" & 172" > LINER (Part#: B3NN6055B)
 
(quoted from post at 14:11:29 02/19/15) Not sure, but I don't believe a Ford tractor engine built after 1962 had sleeves

The 1965-1975 3 cylinder 2000/3000/4000 and 4 cylinder 5000 and 7000 series engines all had sleeves from the factory, and I believe the later models (x600, x610, x910, x930, etc.) had sleeves as well.

EDIT: The above information is incorrect as noted by a few posts below. My only explanation is the medications I am on for pneumonia and bronchitis.
 
The original question was about a 1964 4000 172.

The parts manual lists sleeves for a 172 from 1958 to 1961 and gives a serial number limit for them.

The parts manual lists sleeves for a 144 from 1958 to 1961 and gives a serial number limit for them.

CNH Parts Catalog

They are part #30 on the diagram.

They also list as part #31 on the diagram the engine block and label it as 'sleeveless' starting in 1958 for both 144 and 172 engines.

The only other place the catalog lists sleeves is in the overhaul kits.
 
"The 1965-1975 3 cylinder 2000/3000/4000 and 4 cylinder 5000 and 7000 series engines all had sleeves from the factory, and I believe the later models (x600, x610, x910, x930, etc.) had sleeves as well."

Not true, never was. Your reference # 21A and the corresponding # 19A in the gas block diagram are both clearly described as "service only", provided as a means to renew worn bores in blocks found in tractors already in service.

Interpreting a parts catalog involves reading comprehension as well as looking at pictures.
 
(quoted from post at 06:53:05 02/20/15) "The 1965-1975 3 cylinder 2000/3000/4000 and 4 cylinder 5000 and 7000 series engines all had sleeves from the factory, and I believe the later models (x600, x610, x910, x930, etc.) had sleeves as well."

Not true, never was. Your reference # 21A and the corresponding # 19A in the gas block diagram are both clearly described as "service only", provided as a means to renew worn bores in blocks found in tractors already in service.

Interpreting a parts catalog involves reading comprehension as well as looking at pictures.

I have edited my original post above to say that the information was incorrect. My only explanation, as I said there as well, is the medications I have been on all week for pneumonia and bronchitis. I should know better than to post when I'm not feeling like myself. :wink:
 
Talked to old Ford mechanic and he said some had sleeves and some didn't. He didn't know why but his thinking was that when Ford casted the blocks some had defects and they bored and used sleeves to save block. You didn't know until you disassembled engine. But who knows what a big company did. He worked for a Ford Tractor dealer for about 40 years. I'll post pictures as soon as we start rebuild.
 
Hello Miner , And your question is ? Yes there is a listing for sleeves 1)to rebore a worn block and bring it back to standard 2)to repair one cylinder from excessive scoring to bring it back to standard 3)cavitation pits(which I have never seen)or core sand shift resulting in a thin cylinder wall that cracks 4)or like your Ford tractor mechanic friend said , faulty machine work at the factory where a block was sleeved to bring back to standard spec . That still leaves 99.9% of all blocks that came from the factory without sleeves which is what I am sure you will find when you disassemble yours . Out of 100's of gas engines and 100's of diesel engines in both the Ford tractors and Ford Industrial applications I have NEVER SEEN a sleeved block after mid year 1961 . I am not saying that it is not possible just I have never seen it not in the last 30 years , never say never anything is possible but maybe not probable . Thanks Tony
 

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