Hundred series TLB - four or five speed?

douglloyd

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I am putting together the parts for a tractor/loader/backhoe project. So far I have a Wagner WM3 loader and a Woods 3 point backhoe. I was going to hang these on a 640 with the four speed transmission.

I came across a five speed 650 that does not run. I've never driven one before. Is the five speed just as strong as the four speed? Any advantage to the five speed with a loader?

Doug in east TN.
 
I definitely recommend a 5 spd in a loader tractor. 5 sods have a shifter that sets at muddle neutral, and then pushes forward or pulls back to select a gear. It has 3 height levels top is 3rd and rev, middle is 1/2, and lower is 4/5.

3/R makes for a poor mans shuttle shift, essential forward and reverse
 
The 5 speed reverse is geared lower, gives better control/power with heavy loads. As Soundguy said- third and reverse on the 5 speed work very good for loader work-straight shift forward/back.
 
Thanks. I had not thought about the pattern. 3rd and reverse would get used a lot hauling loads.

This loader has the twin bucket cylinders, so I am hoping to be able to angle the bucket down to scrape & dig a little. That's why I was worried about tearing up a 5 speed.

The backhoe is a smaller Woods but should help with balancing out the weight of the loader.

Thanks again for the info. I will need to check into that 650 further. Money is tight this time of year :p

Doug in east TN
 
You might want to consider that Ford only used the 4 speed and SOS transmissions in the Industrials. Also with the Four speed you have the option of the Sherman combo or reversing trans. Of course a lot depends on how hard you will be working it (ie. cleaning out horse stalls or bucketing gravel). Power steering is always a plus if you are working it hard(been working a 1956 850 without)
 
Hello Doug , If you are smart and money is a concern stay away from ALL HUNDRED SERIES TRACTORS especially the 600 series because 134 engine has NO POWER and the rear axle ratio is too high/fast for Loader/Backhoe work and the FIVE SPEED is a AG TRANS and is very WEAK and YOU WILL BREAK IT that's why Ford NEVER used it in ANY Industrial Tractor . Buy a 1961 or newer 801 series or 4 cyl. 4000 with a FOUR SPEED TRANS. 172 has more power, 4 speed is strong and common, rear axle has lower gears plus Heavy Duty Housings and Stronger axles . Don't worry about Balancing the weight of the Loader with the Backhoe you will need to have the rear tires filled with liquid ballast and pie weights because that little Woods backhoe is too light for loader work . Personally I would sell off the Wagner Loader and the Woods Backhoe and buy a Light Duty Industrial Ford with a Ford Loader and Backhoe already on it . Thanks Tony
 
a very confusing post sir.

You say to stay away from all hundreds, and then you advise a hundred!

As for the backhoe being too light for loader work? that's also a confusing post!

What are newbies to think with this conflicting advice?

I have a woods 6500 backhoe on an 850 and it digs quite fine!

I have a hyd loader on an 850 and it will do more than the tractors front end will let it do without respect to the trans.
 
(quoted from post at 10:41:25 12/15/14) a very confusing post sir.

You say to stay away from all hundreds, and then you advise a hundred!

As for the backhoe being too light for loader work? that's also a confusing post!

What are newbies to think with this conflicting advice?

I have a woods 6500 backhoe on an 850 and it digs quite fine!

I have a hyd loader on an 850 and it will do more than the tractors front end will let it do without respect to the trans.

He actually recommended either an 801 or a 4000 not a hundred series.

Also, I don't think that he was saying that the backhoe wouldn't dig. I think that he was saying that particular backhoe doesn't weigh enough to be a good counter weight for a fully loaded loader and that was why he recommended loading the tires plus using pie weights.
 
00 and 01 are ALL commonly grouped under the moniker 'hundred series'. everyone that posts her see's that.

and what the main difference in an 801 and a 4000 4 cyl ? yes, that's correct.. TIN

even going back further to an 800 and then the list opens up to TIN, pedal routing and spline counts plus a lil different fuel economy.

no major changes in technology on the main operating components from 55-64
 
PS. I didn't see which woods backhoe was listed, just saw it listed as a 3pt model.

If it's as heavy as my 6500 is, it's more than heavy enough. My 850 with a 711 loader had a difficult time lifting that hoe off my trailer. that same loader moves round hay bales just fine. looking at the lift specs on a 711/722 loader, i'd say you are pretty much maxing out the front end handling capacity on those light duty front ends.

For real loader work, a non adjustable industrial front end would be way better. without one, and you can overlaod the fronts with most of the loaders out there that fits. given that, unless it is a super duper small toy hoe, it might weigh quite a bit. my 6500 is actually probably a smaller one than i could have mounted.. i can't imagine what the big one would have been like. I'm glad i have the laoder on to counter ballance the hoe, not the other way around! ;)
 
Tony has some knowledge of these old tractors that most others do not. He has come up with differences between specific models in the past that the general population did not know about, like the castings for the rear axles for the 3 cylinder industrial models were actually not exactly the same as the Ag models, in that the castings were actually thicker/heavier, and therefore stronger, and others were saying they were identical. So if he says not to consider a hundred series for a loader/backhoe combo, and instead go with an 801 or 4000, then there must be some difference that he knows about that caused him to make that recommendation.
 
If the 5 speed has a 2 stage clutch It has a 9" clutch with a loader will not stand up as well as the single stage that has 10" unit.
 
Uff da. I sure did not mean to kick a beehive with this question.

My projects are pretty modest, and this setup will only get occasional use.

My Wagner loader was designed to fit N's through Hundreds, so that's why I prowled the classifieds for one like it. I don't think it is real heavy. Also, I'm using a bobcat bucket, so the loads should be light.

My Woods backhoe was made after Yanmar bought the company. I'll have to find the tag for the model number. But it's a little one, PTO pump driven.

I do have a rebuilt 172 engine available, but I worry about breaking the rear end of a 600 series with a 40-45 hp engine.

Much as I'd like a Ford 555, the budget won't allow. This will have to be built from the parts that I have. But I really appreciate everyone's advice.

thanks,
Doug in east TN
 
(quoted from post at 16:49:46 12/15/14) 00 and 01 are ALL commonly grouped under the moniker 'hundred series'. everyone that posts her see's that.

and what the main difference in an 801 and a 4000 4 cyl ? yes, that's correct.. TIN

even going back further to an 800 and then the list opens up to TIN, pedal routing and spline counts plus a lil different fuel economy.

no major changes in technology on the main operating components from 55-64

The 1961 and later 801s and all 4 cyl 4000s [Utility- not RC] have a heavier rear end than the earlier 801s. You can easily identify the heavier rear end by the horizontal bars that extend across the center section where each trumpet stud screws into the center section. And if I am not mistaken the studs are larger diameter on these rear ends also.
 
And the front ends are exactly the same. Loaders stress front ends teal bad. If you use your outriggers lil you should on a rear hoe, rear axles shouldn't see anything, thus my comments.
 
Hello Chris , The post is not confusing if you know how to read . I said stay away from a 100 series and to use a 01 series or a 1000 series 4 cyl. THEY ARE NOT THE SAME . The Woods Backhoe he has is to light to counterweight the machine . If a newbie can read he will have no problem . I never said ANYTHING ABOUT DIGGING QUALITY OR ABILITY . As for your 850's front end that's why I recommended a BETTER TRACTOR . I usually says Thanks but I am tired of repeating the same info to guys who can't read and just keep saying EVERYTHING IS THE SAME WHEN IT IS NOT .
 
Hello again Chris , 100 SERIES and 01 SERIES tractors ARE NOT COMMONLY GROUPED together EXCEPT by guys who do not know the difference and YOU SHOULD BY NOW and YOU SHOULD STOP GROUPING THEM TOGETHER BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT THE SAME . As for difference between 801 and a 4000 tractor NOT MUCH and that is WHY I SAID A 1961 OR NEWER . No MAJOR CHANGES in TECHNOLOGY ? HOW ABOUT THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE OF ALL in 1959 the change from PEARLITIC STEEL CASTINGS to MALLEABLE STEEL CASTINGS to STRENGTHEN CASTINGS in the block , trans. case , rear end castings and rear wheels discs. , Or how about the the change over to NICKEL ALLOY GEARS in the Four Speed to strengthen them because the new HEAVY DUTY INDUSTRIALS were breaking them especially in Loader / Backhoe applications . What about UPGRADES to bolt and stud DIAMETERS to larger and stronger grades of steel . What about three different upgrades to STRONGER REAR AXLE SHAFTS from the course spline ones in the 100 series tractor ? What about the upgrade to HEAVY DUTY AG FRONT AXLE in 1958 with the BIGGER SPINDLES AND BEARINGS as compared to the 100 series tractors ? How about the HEAVY DUTY CLUTCH with wider facings in the 01 series tractors which gives it more surface area than a 100 series ? What about stronger pto shafts in the 01 series because 100 series were not hard enough and were breaking ? Should I continue ? and nit pick everything down to spin on oil filters and larger head bolts in the 01 series tractor bigger fuel systems more horsepower , Light Duty Industrial tractors which can handle bigger loaders and bigger backhoes than the 100 series tractors . You constantly post here the N-News and everywhere else that they are ALL THE SAME , WELL THEY ARE NOT ALL SAME , 100 SERIES , 01 SERIES , 1000 SERIES ARE DIFFERENT TRACTORS wether you like it or not and you are wrong and you will be wrong every time you post that they are all the same . Thanks Tony
 
Rear axles shouldn't see anything , thus my comments . Really Chris did you think about that one before you typed it ? When the backhoe is on the tractor and in transport position or off the ground so that you can use the tractor to dig with the Loader or to load a truck what do you think carries all of the weight and shocks loads from the backhoe weight on the back of the tractor ? THE REAR END ASSEMBLY .
 
Hello Doug , Don't worry about it you didn't kick any beehive that hasn't been kicked before , more than once as a matter of fact . Thanks Tony
 
I mentioned some of those upgrades, some of the others won't make a difference to the application in question, and a few others I wasn't aware of like casting and gear material. Casting strength would be a significant one. I still say for the average use we collectors and non commercial farmers and medium estate owners use, for practical purposes a 55 is going to perform very very similar to a 64. If you are doing commercial or daily, all day loader and hoe work I don't reccomend an ag tractor upfitteed at all, I reccomend real dedicated tlb. Ford has them, case 580 series is great too, I run one at work

I bet most of here have tractors that don't see the equivalent of a months commercial work, per year. That kind of info has to be factored in.. Is, application makes a big difference. I wouldn't recommend a 25000$ case 580l to a guy needing to dig a mailbox hole once a year, and dug a 50 foot water line once, I also woudnt reccomend a tlb built on a 50-60 year old ag tractor for a guy running a septic tank business hurrying 4 tanks a day, and doing drainfields on the side and weekends. It's all application. Working for a GC the last 30 years tells me you use ag tractors for ag applications and heavy equip for real earthmoving, ford beefing up an agg model in the early 60's and calling it industrial don't make it heavy equipment.

It's all perspeective
 
Gimme a break, you are grasping now! And it shows!

If you are doing loader work you have some sort of rear weight, loaded tires, wheel or frame weights, rear ballast box, something, the tractor drive train and frame see that weight no matter what it is, that's a weak argument you posed.

Think about this, if you have loader tears and wheel weights, all that is felt by the trumpets and bearings and axle even when up on outriggers digging. Without those, is, empty tires and no weights, when you are up on outriggers digging, there is less carried weight.


Save your time replying to me if you are trying to convince me that a 55 and 64, in general can't do the same class of work. Within engine size the pull the same hogs, with same fronts they use the same loaders and lift the same loads. For all intents and purposes a 600 , 601, and 2000 are interchangeable for the bulk of users, given similar equip packages, ditto 800, 801, 4000.

Minor differences aside to strengthen the later models, they perform ABOUT the same. Take an 840 and a 4000, equipped with same mower and send them down a pass each after the other, the driver of the 4000 isn't going to hop off and notice a significant performance difference.

The industrials I agree are in a noticeable upgrade class, which is why I don't group them with the agg models. They still aren't heavy equipment though, not till you get to the 3 digit series, then capacity really jumps.
 
I'd also have to respectively disagree.
Lets see, there is a Six Hundreds Series and a Six Hundred and One Series. There is an Eight Hundred Series and an Eight Hundred and One Series. Course there are also the 5's 7's and 9's. But the point is, "Look at each of the Series". They all have one word in commend. That o'course is, "HUNDRED". So they are all of the Hundred Series.
Had you said, "stay away from ALL 800 SERIES TRACTORS and especially the 600" then your meaning would had been clear.
You brought up some good point about the up grades on the series year to year. Shame you choose to do it in such a rude manner.
That being said, What is your source for the data of the up grades? I find your info very interesting
 
Hello Fuddy Duddy , You can respectively disagree all you would like but you are wrong also . Ford the company that built these tractor designates them AS FOLLOWS 1954-1957 is the 100 series tractors , 1957- mid-year 1962 are the 01 series tractors , mid-year 1962-1965 are the 1000 series tractors FORD NEVER CALLED THEM THE HUNDRED AND ONE SERIES , so no they do not have the word HUNDRED in common . The simple fact is not what you or anyone else wants to call the tractors the ONLY FACT THAT MATTERS IS WHAT THE FORD CALLS THE TRACTORS , so if you perceive this as rude(just in case you hadn't noticed this is not kindergarden there is no rude or shame just the facts) you should start reading everything that Ford published about these tractors and prove me wrong which you will not be able to do . I have four filing cabinets with four draws each full of Ford Service manuals , Service bulletins , Sales manuals , Sales literature and everything else Ford printed on these tractors and have read everything at least a dozen times over the 30 years I have been working on Fords . I can back up EVERYTHING I SAY about these Fords with the part number to each Ford published book or service bulletin with page numbers so that Everybody can look it up in there own Ford books . The facts are in Black and White and Ford made them not me I am just stating the facts because I am sick and tired of guys who do not know what the facts are or what they are talking about calling the tractors what they want and not what they are plain and simple . If you do not know what you own just ask someone will tell you how to identify exactly what you own regardless what you think it is or what you were told what it is that is why there is serial numbers and model numbers which all lead to the facts as presented by FORD . Thanks Tony
 
Don't worry I'm never grasping and NOBODY said anything about PERFORMANCE the original poster ASKED FOR A RECCOMENDATION and I gave him one . All of the 1954-1965 tractors can be had for about the same price why not buy the better ones ? I personally won't waste my money on any 100 series tractor or a 601 or a 2000 when I can get a 801 or a 4000 series tractor . Buy the latest and the greatest of a series when the price is the same . Same with 9N/2N/8N's not that I would give a nickel any one of them but if you had to have one why wouldn't you buy a 1950-1952 that has all of the refinements and the upgrades from all of the previous years corrected problems ? Seems like just common sense to me .
 
Lot of words and talk about the facts. But yet you still left out the facts. Where does it say in "FORDS" words that a 861 is not of the HUNDRED Series? Four filing cabinets with four draws each full of Ford Service manuals yet no one there that can read them. What a shame.
 
(quoted from post at 02:04:05 12/17/14) Don't worry I'm never grasping and NOBODY said anything about PERFORMANCE the original poster ASKED FOR A RECCOMENDATION and I gave him one . All of the 1954-1965 tractors can be had for about the same price why not buy the better ones ? I personally won't waste my money on any 100 series tractor or a 601 or a 2000 when I can get a 801 or a 4000 series tractor . Buy the latest and the greatest of a series when the price is the same . Same with 9N/2N/8N's not that I would give a nickel any one of them but if you had to have one why wouldn't you buy a 1950-1952 that has all of the refinements and the upgrades from all of the previous years corrected problems ? Seems like just common sense to me .

Thanks for standing in there, Tony! I'm in your camp. *00s are *00s and *01s are *01s. In my book *01s [b:bc64a4c5f9][u:bc64a4c5f9]ARE NOT[/u:bc64a4c5f9][/b:bc64a4c5f9] hundred series!!!!!
 
Availability.

Numbers show there are more of the old ones out there than the new ones. It's not like driving to WalMart to select what tractor you want, you are stuck with what's available, or the added expenses of driving or hauling ling distances to get one. Btdt, sometimes its ok to pay 2x the value of a tractor and get it 3-4 states away, many times it isn't., thus most are stuck buying essentially equivalent class older machines. Depending on what you collect, the difference may be even more minscule as is the case with rowcrops for instance, however that's a bit off topic.

I have often wondered if the last few changes ford made to freshen up the 00 01 000 4 cyl series actually oanned out as they expected, is, did the cost of the changes equal the return in performance?... Seems the designs were abandoned in a couple short years in favor of the retooled 3 cyl lines. I realize there are other factors like market share and filling needs of larger machines needed, however in the end, while on paper a 4000 is better than an 801, is better than an 800, in the real world of average use, the difference is hard to see day to day. That's my point, and why I reccomended as I did. Lots of difference on paper does not always yeild lots of difference to a hobby machine.
 
Interesting thread.
You learn something new here every day.
Alan,
Do you (or someone else)have any pictures of the difference between the late 801/4000 rear ends and the earlier ones?
 
AVAILABILITY, Give me a break between 1939 and 1952 Ford built over one million N-Series tractors and then between 1954 and 1965 in the 100 series , 01 series and early 1000 they also built over one million tractors again and you say you can't find a tractor ? who's blowing smoke now ? It took me a couple of years but I found a tractor with the serial number built 3 days before I was born . I found a 1946 9N built the day a friend was born in 1946 because he wanted another 9n like his dad had new . If I can find a 1946 9N built almost 70 years ago with a serial number matching a friends birthday just last year I am more than sure you can find a better tractor if you look a little . So don't even waste my time time telling me you can't find a tractor FORDS ARE EVERYWHERE we are not talking Olivers, Cockshutts or some obscure tractor makes . As far as the updates goes its the same every time, the last 3-4 years of the N-series is the best then they changed them the last 5-6 years of the 4 cyls. are the best then they changed them . The 3 cyls. are a joke as far as upgrades go , Ford constantly changed and updated parts added models limiting interchangability and availability of parts so that some parts for are hard to locate today and they are the newer backyard ones out there especially after 1978 production . As I said before he asked for a RECOMMENDATION , I recommended the best of the year range that's all I didn't tell him to buy a 580 Case or anything bigger or more expensive , I used to have a 1987 Ford 655 with Four in one bucket , Forks , Side-Shift Extendahoe , 4x4 , ROPS Cab with heat and AC, used it for 10 or 12 years then sold because I didn't need to have that big of a machine any more and I actually used the old Industrials more because of the compactness and ease of moving them from job to job . The new machine was much more comfortable but on the 100 or so of the small wooded house lots that I have built on the smaller Industrials have done just fine for the 6000 plus I have logged on them .
 
Hey, i realize you thik you are king of the world and all.. but what you believe / think does not dictate reality.

if I tell you in my local area 'x' tractor is not available, you can't wave your hand like a jedi and say i'm wrong. It doesn't work like that.

whatever tractors in a certain area are there, jumping up and down saying ford made lots of these does not change the distribution facts.

if there isn't one in my area ( or someones area ), then that's just the facts...

and, like i said before, that you overlooked. there are more 00 and 01's out there than 000's

thus finding an 000 in that distribution is harder.

that's plain statistics.. you took statistics in school right?

now, since you only like the big ones. lets look at that 00, 01, and 000 population and only hand pick out the 4000 non rowcrops. that's an even smaller #.

You don't like 5 speeds. so no lets only pick out 4000 4 speeds. and even SMALLER number.

ok so we now have this small population seperated from the original population. 4 cyl 4000 ag model with a 4 speed.

now you claim they are everywhere and anybody, anywhere should be able to walk outside and find one.

yeah right.... me blowing smoke? naw. it's something you are smokin!

remember, waving your hands don't make tractors appear in front of everybody looking for them.

I've been looking for 96X and 4000 4 cyl's for a while now.

I have found 1 960 that was not for sale at a show. I found one 960 that was at an auction, and was a beater i'd pay 2x it's value to win, and then another 2x it's value to repair. so I passed.

I found a couple out of state. By the time i factored 3-4 days off work, fuel , tolls, food, lodging, it's not feasable. same with hauling. some of the haul quootes are so high the tractor arrives at 2x the purchase price, then you start fixing it. I like rowcrops. but a 960 isn't worth 6000$

Same deal with 4000's the 2 i have seen in my state, one was a rowcrop, the other was priced too high to start with at 4000$ needing tires and rims all around, tin and in op power steering, no battery.. etc. IE.. almost a parts machine. I'd have a grand in tires alone, not to mention another in tinwork and rims, and then probably another in getting it running and ps fixed. then i'd need to do body work.. that's not possible.

the other was a rowcrop.. and i actually bought that one.

Some tractors just don't show up in some geographical areas. Very hard to find alis chalmers here, up north they are a dime a dozen

mini mo's are also scarce down here.

different places saw different tractors.

if they aren't there, they aren't there, barring being rich and taking time off work and driving or buying site unseen and having 6 grand in a repaired but not restored machine just ain't cutting it for hobby use!
 
I can say the same for you also , why don't you go find a Ford Manual that says the 01 Series is a Hundred series , you can't because Ford NEVER printed one . Every manual CLEARLY states 600/800 or 601/801 or 2000/4000 , Everbody has access to any Ford Manual out there pick one . FORD OPERATORS MANUAL 600 - 800 TRACTORS part number 42060020 (SE6085-B) 1957 , FORD TRACTOR OWNERS MANUAL 601 AND 801 42060121 (SE6085-G) 12/1961 , FORD SERVICE MANUAL - TRACTOR SERIES 600,700,800,900,501,601,701,9011801,2000 AND 4000 , 400060090 (SE8175) 1961 with up dates all the way thru 11/92 . There is three that are on my desk , go look them up you are wrong and you always will be that is the fact as Ford printed them and thousands more , go buy your own and prove me wrong as I said , you can't .
 
I said I do not care about any other tractors other than Ford , Fords are eveywhere always were always will be , Ford was the top seller just about everwhere in the US especially down south including Florida . Fords show up everywhere if you look hard enough . I just bought a one owner 1957 861 with 1400 original hours in Gaston County , S.C for $1800 a lot closer to you than me , funny I found that down there from here in Mass. go figure just like the Four Elenco's I bought in Florida in the last two tears . Plus I have another Elenco sitting in Alabama right now waiting to get picked up , I don't know why you can't find just plain Fords down south Elenco's are much harder to find down there and I do even live there .
 
I don't collect elenco.

I don't buy site unseen either.

Due to my job, its hard to make more than a 2 day trip. I have on occasion made longer road trips, and I have on occasion arranged hauling. Neither we're particularly cost effective. Fuel and list work time plus listing and food can turn a 1500$;tractorinto 3200$ just pulling into the driveway, then add aanother grand to get it use able, but not restored. Those are real numbers from one I hauled out of Texas. Most spendy row crop I've got.. not going to do that again, I'm patient enough to wait for something in state or at least neighboring states I can do in a day turnaround.

Good for you for buying what you want, but don't proclaim anybody anywhere can buy anything. Impossible to know all the circumstances and variables involved with another person.
 
I guess you just can't read. I've already shown my evidence. "there is a Six Hundreds Series and a Six Hundred and One Series. There is an Eight Hundred Series and an Eight Hundred and One Series."
My facts are in the THREE DIGIT numbers themselves.
Sure you can call an 861 an Eight Sixty One. But that won't change the FACT that the Eight stands for EIGHT HUNDRED.
If you use that as your logic then an 860 could be an EIGHT SIXTY. But that won't take the hundred out of it either. Eight Hundred is Eight Hundred no mater what two numbers follow it.
You can't prove your point because there are no FACTS to back you up.
Maybe it would help if you take a photo of your four filing cabinets with four draws each and post a picture of them.
 
"I found a 1946 9N built the day a friend was born in 1946 because he wanted another 9n like his dad had new "

Now that's funny. You say you can't call an 801 as part on the Hundred Series?
Where in the heck did you find a 1946 9N? That must be a very rare and valuable tractor.
 
(quoted from post at 11:46:48 12/17/14) Interesting thread.
You learn something new here every day.
Alan,
Do you (or someone else)have any pictures of the difference between the late 801/4000 rear ends and the earlier ones?

This is a great thread.
I learned something today.
Thinking of adding another 8*0 or 8*1 to my stable,
and now will look hard til I find a late oh-one or 4000.
pic after reading this thread and doing some studying on my own.
Should be easy to spot at auctions/hedgerows/barns rather than trying to bring up a ghosted serial number......
800-801rears_zpsd5a8fe36.jpg
 
I can read just fine the problem with reading is you . You have NO EVIDENCE TO SHOW BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING IN PRINT FROM FORD . Ford always has called an 860 a EIGHT SIXTY , they have never called it an EIGHT HUNDRED AND SIXTY as a matter of fact I do not know anyone in the world that has ever called an 860 that . There is no Ford publication that calls an 01 series tractor a HUNDRED AND ONE SERIES as you are saying and it is not printed by Ford ANYWHERE OR EVER you have ZERO evidence . What good is taking any pictures going to do you can't read anyways . So you just keep typing and running your mouth on your screen because you will never find any evidence from Ford that is printed by Ford that refers to any of the Designations you are talking about . My points of fact are well proven any one anywhere can pick up any Ford publication and see the designations printed by Ford in them , they WILL NEVER SEE ANYTHING LIKE WHAT YOU ARE REFERRING TOO . IF BY CHANCE YOU FIND A FORD PUBLICATION WITH YOUR LINE OF CRAP PRINTED IN IT BE SURE TO POST PICTURES OF IT HERE , I am sure you will drop dead before you ever find such a book .
 
Hello Larry , Thanks , and I know you are but then again some posters do have any brains or common sense never mind any experience but it is still fun to keep going at it . Tony
 
See Chris this is where you keep going off track . We are ONLY TALKING about FORDS I could care less about other makes or brands . You would have to be Computer illiterate , deaf , dumb and blind not to be able to find a Ford your area of Florida or Georgia, Alabama or even the Carolina's . Growers Ford Tractor was arguably the largest Dealer in FLA. not to mention the dozens of other dealers there and they absolutely FLOODED FLA. with Fords you said you only saw two for sale when you were looking for a rowcrop . I only proclaim to know FORD because I have dealer lists for most states some sales info and the Ford guys that were there to talk to , and since Ford sold Millions and Millions of tractors through the years if you can't find one you ain't looking hard enough .
 
Hello NoNewParts , By mid 1961 after serial number 150000 , just about every refinement and up date is done(including the last axle shaft update) to the tractors except the spin on oil filter boss that was cast into the block in 1962 , 1961 blocks still had the oil filter adapter kit on them from Ford . When the Blue and Gray 1962's came out the better Direct drive SOS came out after that there was no real changes right to the end of Dec. 1965 production run . Thanks Tony
 
Ultra,
I've looked at that pic before. I never knew there was a difference until Tony's comment.
I can see the ribs easy once I knew what to look for.
Another thing they changed was the fuel lines and shut off valve. Bigger carb. This 64 4000 sure can drink fuel if you push it hard!
 

Wow!! it's a good thing there a bunch of states between you guys, LOL. Maybe Ford should have called them the apple series followed by the peanut series, followed by the radish series then nobody could claim overlap or this one is a sub group of that group. Just so long as none get called lemons.
 
Ok, So now you are saying Ford never made a Hundred Series Tractor?
All this from a man that stated in this very Thread that he once purchased a 1946, 9N. Boy, You really know your tractors. You need to go back and read the manuals another dozen times.
Or I take that back, If you can't comprehend what's in them after the first dozen time, then don't waste your time, You'll never get it.
Call them what ever you like.
You could had avoided this whole mess if you would had just just explained your meaning in your post when first asked instead of coming back with a rude and insulting remark. That man is very capable of taking care of his self. But I don't like it when some one purposely tries to demean one of my Friends.
I think you were just looking for an argument.
You found one and now you just look 'FOOLISH'
I've proved that you can correctly group the '00s and '01s together as Hundred Series Tractors.
CASE CLOSED!
 
While there's good information in this thread, I think the moderator should take it down!!!! A couple of you have just become plain obnoxious in showing ignorance, belligerence and downright cussedness . . . and Tony Jacobs is not among you!
 
Again, you either dint read or understand what I typed.

I not only said when I looked the pickings for a particular model were low, but I also stated that if/ when I did find a preferred mode, sometimes it was either priced higher than it was worth ( to me), or it was too far away for me to go get or arrange transport for either due to tin limitation, or the trip making the tractor financial unattractive. I'm not retired, I work about 80 hours a week, and tend a small farm. Roadtripping out to buy a tractor that may end up costing 3x its worth isn't always feasable.

Again, you are proclaiming that anybody, anywhere can find anything, at good prices and local.

Mathematically, the probability of your statement being true at any particular moment is epsilon!
 
Tony, I am looking at a 64 4000 with SOS trans. So if I am reading you right that would have the better SOS in it?
thanks Boss
 
(quoted from post at 19:45:41 12/19/14) Tony, I am looking at a 64 4000 with SOS trans. So if I am reading you right that would have the better SOS in it?
thanks Boss

I'm not Tony . . . but yes the early 1000 series had the better SOS. They started using them when they began building the 4 cylinder thousands in mid to late 1962.
 
(quoted from post at 22:46:58 12/17/14) Hello NoNewParts , By mid 1961 after serial number 150000 , just about every refinement and up date is done(including the last axle shaft update) to the tractors except the spin on oil filter boss that was cast into the block in 1962 , 1961 blocks still had the oil filter adapter kit on them from Ford . When the Blue and Gray 1962's came out the better Direct drive SOS came out after that there was no real changes right to the end of Dec. 1965 production run . Thanks Tony

Appreciate the info Tony.
Thanks,
NNP
 
I NEVER said Ford did not make a 100 series tractor they did only from 1954-1957 . The 1946 9N WAS A TYPO it is a 2N . Yes I know my Fords quite better than you . No I call the tractors WHAT FORD CALLED THEM not what you want to . My original post was CLEAR and CORRECT . As with the rest of your posts you have proved NOTHING because you have provided nothing in PRINT FROM FORD .
 
As I said before Chris I do not care about any other brand of tractors , just FORDS and there is no shortage of FORDS in FLORIDA , If I can find FORDS in FLORIDA with ELENCOS on them I am sure you can find plain FORDS in FLORIDA . I am not proclaiming or ever did proclaim anybody , anywhere , anytime , anything , good prices or local , JUST NO SHORTAGE OF FORDS IN FLORIDA .
 
As far as the numbers show 1958 , 1959 , 1960 and 1961 are FORDS LARGEST SELLING YEARS during the 1954 - 1965 time period so there are more 01 SERIES TRACTORS around than 100 SERIES TRACTORS .
 

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