2000 Starter problem

I have a 1965, 3 cylinder, gas 2000 with a starter problem. When the engine is cold (for instance first start of the day) the starter engages properly and cranks the engine over flawlessly until ignition is achieved. After running for awhile ( everything at operating temp) if I shut the engine off and then try to restart it the starter sounds like the drive is grinding on the flywheel teeth, like I'm trying to start the engine while it is already running. After 1 or 2 try's it will engage properly and start the engine. Any help will be very much appreciated.
 
time to pull the starter. unfortunately, i bet you find a chewed ring gear or starter drive...

post back, lets go from there.
 
I have removed the starter and the teeth on the drive do show some wear from engaging the flywheel, but not excessive as far as I can tell. The problem seems to be temperature related. When I reinstalled the starter it worked great when starting cold, but then changed after the tractor warmed up.
 
I will do that, thanks. I have also read that a weak battery could cause poor starter performance. Could this be a charging (generator) problem?
 
Could it?

Well I you have a dead battery and then wonder why your starter is not working, I say you need to back up and reorganize. :)
 
That was harsh. I don't have a dead battery, but I have read that if the voltage drops too much below 12.6 V the starter might not engage properly. I thought someone might have had a similar experience. Evidently Soundguy has not.
 
that wasn't harsh.

I merely said if you are working with a dead battery and notice starting problems, backup and check the battery BEFORE addressing the starter.

Since you don't like my good free help, i'm recording your handle and IP and will no longer reply or answer any of your questipns.

Now that's harsh.. in case you were wondering.

good luck on fixing the tractor!
 

Is the drive just as loose as can be? They are not supposed to be lubricated but sometimes people do, and they accumulate clutch dust and take a while to retract.
 
Do you have an exhaust leak? I think the 65 had the starter on the left side of the tractor under the air intake hose, but the exhaust is also on the same side, and if you have underslung exhaust, and the exhaust is leaking it will overheat the starter which could cause all kinds of goofy symptoms. Same goes for an exhaust leak at the manifold above the starter.

I've seen the starters drag on older ford cars when hot. Never on a tractor. Might be a good idea to take it to a starter rebuild shop and see what he thinks.
 
(quoted from post at 22:51:26 10/24/14) Do you have an exhaust leak? I think the 65 had the starter on the left side of the tractor under the air intake hose, but the exhaust is also on the same side, and if you have underslung exhaust, and the exhaust is leaking it will overheat the starter which could cause all kinds of goofy symptoms. Same goes for an exhaust leak at the manifold above the starter.

I've seen the starters drag on older ford cars when hot. Never on a tractor. Might be a good idea to take it to a starter rebuild shop and see what he thinks.

Starter is on the right side on all of the '65-'75 3 cylinder tractors along with the intake manifold. The exhaust manifold is on the left.
 
Sean is correct, the starter is on the right side and the exhaust
is on the left, but I appreciate the suggestion. I probably will
have to take the starter to a shop.
 
When I took it apart there was a lot of field debris in it, but after
cleaning it out everything seemed to move freely. I have read
recommendations to lubricate, but I did not do that before
reassembling it. I had hoped that cleaning it out would correct
the problem, but it did not.
 
Soundguy,

You are absolutely right that I need to verify proper operation of the charging system, and I will do that, but merely suggesting that the tractor will not start with a dead battery really didn't do much for me.

Bennett
 
(quoted from post at 02:24:40 10/23/14) I have a 1965, 3 cylinder, gas 2000 with a starter problem. When the engine is cold (for instance first start of the day) the starter engages properly and cranks the engine over flawlessly until ignition is achieved. After running for awhile ( everything at operating temp) if I shut the engine off and then try to restart it the starter sounds like the drive is grinding on the flywheel teeth, like I'm trying to start the engine while it is already running. After 1 or 2 try's it will engage properly and start the engine. Any help will be very much appreciated.

like Showcrop said, after cleaning, that drive should spin out with the tiniest flick of your finger.
and with all good connections and a strong battery, the starter should really spin that engine when engaged.
as in, the engine should actually slow down when it starts.
if not to either, time for a rebuild.
(ps, when I used to run old Ford cars, that 'cranks slow when hot' symptom usually meant....starter rebuild time...)

on my Farmalls, which seem to always have twitchy starters,
turning the engine a little with the hand crank before starting will stop the starter drive from abusing the ring gear teeth in the same spot time after time.
 

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