Ford 4400 w/o 3PT

killerb · Oct 22, 2014

Hi All,

I have been lurking for a while as I was looking for a tractor. I finally ended up with a '65 4400 w/loader. It is a bit rough but I expect to use it for work so that's OK. The tractor doesn't have a 3pt hitch, the hydraulic cover is just flat. If I found an old junker could I just swap the hydraulic cover and add the linkage to get a 3pt? What models should I look for? The knowledge shared on the board has been a huge help so far!

Sean in PA · Oct 22, 2014

I believe that you would also need the hydraulic pump and flow control valve assembly, plus some internal plumbing. Your loader is most likely driven off of a pump that's up on the front of the tractor driven by the crankshaft pulley. The 3 point lift would need a gear type pump inside the rear axle center housing on the right side, or if it is an S-O-S transmission a piston pump mounted on the left side of the engine back near the flywheel.

It might be easier to just swap in an entire rear axle from another 4000 series tractor, but the ones from the ag chassis models wouldn't be quite as stout as the original one on your 4400.

Ecnerwal · Oct 22, 2014

I know the front axle is heavier on the industrials - I'm not sure the rear really is any different.

What you will want for sure is a counterweight of some sort...

The rear/engine pump also applies for the 4 speed power reversing transmission (for me, that is the one with 3-point.)

Ultradog MN · Oct 22, 2014

Great tractor.
As said, by the time you buy all the required stuff to add 3 point you would be better off just buying the rear half of a standard 4000 and installing that.
Get the 3 point you want and IPTO to boot.
There are several variations in transmissions, pto, front axle and steering but for the most part, major componants from all variations of the 4000 platform - 4000, 4000SU, 4400, 4410, 4500 will interchange.
I think you said you were in NY.
But if you want one contact me. I have the the whole kit and kaboodle you need here in MN.

Sean in PA · Oct 22, 2014

(quoted from post at 17:32:39 10/22/14) I know the front axle is heavier on the industrials - I'm not sure the rear really is any different.

What you will want for sure is a counterweight of some sort...

The rear/engine pump also applies for the 4 speed power reversing transmission (for me, that is the one with 3-point.)

The current parts site doesn't show any differences in the rear axle parts, but Tony Jacobs has corrected a few folks on here when they said that the rear axles on the industrials were the same as on the ag models. I'm not sure what parts (housing or gears themselves, or both) he said were originally different, but since there is only one current part number listed for each of them (second part number for different ratio ring and pinion for the S-O-S, but that's all) it is fair to say that they are interchangeable although according to Tony you would be giving up some strength vs. the original rear axle on an industrial.

killerb · Oct 22, 2014

(quoted from post at 18:32:58 10/22/14) Great tractor.
As said, by the time you buy all the required stuff to add 3 point you would be better off just buying the rear half of a standard 4000 and installing that.
Get the 3 point you want and IPTO to boot.
There are several variations in transmissions, pto, front axle and steering but for the most part, major componants from all variations of the 4000 platform - 4000, 4000SU, 4400, 4410, 4500 will interchange.
I think you said you were in NY.
But if you want one contact me. I have the the whole kit and kaboodle you need here in MN.

I saw your score thats great! I'm going to have a hard time justifying a parts tractor for my "new" tractor, at least for a couple of years. In reality I don't think there are any 3pt implements I [i:c93659efe2]need[/i:c93659efe2] but I'd like to be prepared.

OK so I have another Noob question. This machine seems to have power steering, where does it get it's fluid, I see two hoses going to/from the PS pump but nothing else. The steering is very difficult and I'm hoping it's just low...

Fordfarmer · Oct 22, 2014

If the 4400 uses the same system as other, similar models, the
reservoir is above the front end of the engine, slightly left of
center. Open the hood (right side) and you should be able to see
and fill it.

Ultradog MN · Oct 23, 2014

I wonder if there wasn't some confusion somewhere on which 4000 or derivative they were talking about.
There is a difference between an ag and industrial rear end on the 4 cylinder pre 4/65 models but I think the componants on a 3 cylinder and derivatives were all the same.

killerb · Oct 23, 2014

I saw the pic above but I don't have that reservoir. I'll try to get a pic of what I do have.

Thanks!

Sean in PA · Oct 23, 2014

(quoted from post at 22:20:16 10/22/14) If the 4400 uses the same system as other, similar models, the
reservoir is above the front end of the engine, slightly left of
center. Open the hood (right side) and you should be able to see
and fill it.

Fordfarmer - The 4500 used the hydraulic tank over the front like you describe, but the 4400 was officially dubbed a "Utility" tractor, not an "Industrial", so the only reservoir for the front pump for the loader (and backhoe if it had one) was in the loader frame itself. FYI - Even though the 4500 had the tank over top of the radiator, it still used the loader frame for storing fluid as well.

Ultradog MN · Oct 23, 2014

Judging by the pic it is a 4400 diesel - small paper filter in the left side of the nose and generator.

Fordfarmer · Oct 23, 2014

The reservoir I was referring to is the one in the picture in his
reply. But he says his is different, which makes me think it
may have a later style replacement, with the reservoir on the
pump.

killerb · Oct 23, 2014

So I found the power steering reservoir, it is in the pump (looks like a post 1970 pump is on there according to New Holland). I put some hydraulic fluid in and turned the steering wheel with the tires off the ground several times. Then I found a big puddle under where I assume the cylinder is. Great. Already read http://forums.yesterdaystractors.com/viewtopic.php?t=1151891 guess I'll have to dig in and see what I find.

Sean in PA · Oct 23, 2014

(quoted from post at 13:27:43 10/23/14) The reservoir I was referring to is the one in the picture in his
reply. But he says his is different, which makes me think it
may have a later style replacement, with the reservoir on the
pump.

Sorry, everyone was talking about the rear end swap and the hydraulics system and I totally missed his question about the p/s pump. I thought you were talking about the 4500 style hydraulics reservoir.

Fordfarmer · Oct 23, 2014

No problem. I kinda wondered if that was what
happened.

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