I have the ford select o matic 4000 1963-1964 model gas. My problem is that when I bought it the person before me left it outside and now I find water in the trans. That's not the main problem though. The condensation from the water has froze up my rear hydraulic lift handle. I unscrewed the cap under the seat and peered in to see a bunch of rust. I know that the lift cover must be removed to clean out the rust and maybe free up the parts underneath the cover. My problem is that I have removed the bolts from the lift cover under the seat and can get the lift cover up about a half inch or so and then something is stopping me from removing it all the way. I have the manuals and read through them but they do not tell you of anything that needs unhooking to get it removed? Does anybody know how to get this lift cover off? I would appreciate any feedback. Thank You Robb
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Ultradog MN
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- Twin Cities
Don't call it a select o matic here. Big no no.
You called it right in the topic - Select O Speed.
Or SOS.
There is no oil connection between the transmission and rear end. They are completely seperate boxes with different fills and drains.
When removing the top cover there is a tube on the front right side that can stick.
If you lift only on the back end it will cause the tube to bind.
Lift the back end a little then get thin pry bar under the front end and lift that at the same time.
When the cover is free all the way around you slide it back a little then lift it off.
At least that's how a 3000 is and I think they are about the same.
You called it right in the topic - Select O Speed.
Or SOS.
There is no oil connection between the transmission and rear end. They are completely seperate boxes with different fills and drains.
When removing the top cover there is a tube on the front right side that can stick.
If you lift only on the back end it will cause the tube to bind.
Lift the back end a little then get thin pry bar under the front end and lift that at the same time.
When the cover is free all the way around you slide it back a little then lift it off.
At least that's how a 3000 is and I think they are about the same.
Larry NCKS
Well-known Member
Ultra, it's been awhile, but I don't recall the tube you're talking about on the 4 cylinder priors. Are the hydraulic components really that similar on the priors and the 3 cyls?
robbiel, Ultra's correct!!! We get kinda ornery when someone uses the wrong name for our SOS tractors!! :lol:
If you have removed all of the lift cover bolts, the lift cover should lift off. Lift the rear end a bit first and slide the lift cover rearward a bit as the front of the assembly beneath the cover will interfere with the lip at the front of the housing below if you lift straight up. I find removing lift covers much easier if I have a helper.
Do not fail to properly fluch and change the transmission oil as the S-O-S transmission is not tolerant of dirty/contaminated oil. If the oil is badly contaminated, I would drain and refill with inexpensive but compatible oil and operate the tractor with this oil for a few hours before changing again to good quality compatible oil.
Unfortunately, you can no longer buy the internal filter for the early S-O-S transmissions and yours is likely in bypass mode.
Dean
Do not fail to properly fluch and change the transmission oil as the S-O-S transmission is not tolerant of dirty/contaminated oil. If the oil is badly contaminated, I would drain and refill with inexpensive but compatible oil and operate the tractor with this oil for a few hours before changing again to good quality compatible oil.
Unfortunately, you can no longer buy the internal filter for the early S-O-S transmissions and yours is likely in bypass mode.
Dean
Ultradog MN
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- Location
- Twin Cities
Larry,
Now you've got me wondering.
The 3 cyl models have a tube on the front, right side of the cover. It connects to the flow control valve - which the 4 cyls don't have.
But I thought the covers were fed from about the same location. On a 3 cyl, sometimes the tube comes off with the cover and sometimes stays in the tractor.
You can see the tube in the lower right corner of the photo.
By the way, if someone wants this cover I will sell it for a 6 pack of beer. Otherwise it's likely going to scrap. I have the lift cylinder around here too I'll throw in.
No shipping though. You have to pick it up. When you do I'll let you have a couple of beers.
Now you've got me wondering.
The 3 cyl models have a tube on the front, right side of the cover. It connects to the flow control valve - which the 4 cyls don't have.
But I thought the covers were fed from about the same location. On a 3 cyl, sometimes the tube comes off with the cover and sometimes stays in the tractor.
You can see the tube in the lower right corner of the photo.
By the way, if someone wants this cover I will sell it for a 6 pack of beer. Otherwise it's likely going to scrap. I have the lift cylinder around here too I'll throw in.
No shipping though. You have to pick it up. When you do I'll let you have a couple of beers.
Bern
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- Location
- Mount Vernon, WA
First you say you'll sell it for a 6-pack, then later you say you'll throw in a couple of beers upon pickup. Is that kind of like a rebate?
Larry NCKS
Well-known Member
I'm not finding it, but didn't someone say Dennis Carpenter had this filter available now. I also know that it should be coming soon from Tony Jacobs!
Ultradog MN
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- Location
- Twin Cities
Around here it's more like a reprobate.
Greg Wolodkin
Member
If the lift arms are stuck in the up position, that would explain it. On my 3400 I had to remove a plug in the pressure test port on the lift cover (after removing all weight from the lift arms). That removed hydraulic pressure (and would have shot oil everywhere too except I had covered it with a rag as I removed it, thanks for advice from this forum!).
I don't know if there is one or where it might be on the older pre-1965 tractors, but I bet others here do know and can post shortly.
Greg Wolodkin
Member
I took a look at the parts diagrams on Messick's web site and it looks like the accessory cover plate (3"x5" or so, with one pipe plug in it) is the same or similar between the 3-cyl and 4-cyl 4000s.
So, you could try taking the weight (if there is any) off the lift arms, then loosen and remove the pipe plug on the accessory cover to see if that will allow the lift arms to come down. Be prepared for some oil to come out of there when you loosen the plug.
Greg
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