Left the cat outside last night

Ultradog MN

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Woke up this morning and found this mouse on my doorstep. Maybe it's a chipmunk, not sure.
4000 school tractor.
It's a gasser. Too bad. But I don't need the engine so I'll just stash it for something else someday. Or sell it off.
I think I'll put the tranny/rear end in my 4400.
Then sell off the one I have.
Or find a 4000 with a bad SOS. Swap my old one into it and sell it that way.

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Who else gets "NEW" 45 year old tractors? I would have guessed most schools had sold as surplus or scaped 30-35 years ago. I have seen 2. 1 just colleted dust last seen 40 years ago. Other was in salvage yard about same time.
 
There's nothing "new" about machinery that has been manhandled by students dozens of times, unless it sat in a corner all those years collecting dust, which is quite common for some programs.
 
Very interesting, funning thing is a buddy of mine just got a 4000 diesel out of a scrap yard just like that this morning. Only diff is his has a nice stand someone made for it.
 
Nice find, UD.

I'm sure you know that the engine (and everything else) has 0 hours....

Ford, like other manufacturers, once invested heavily in the future.

It was once common to see display/training units in trade schools, colleges, universities, etc., that had been donated by manufacturers (I can tell you why such is no longer common but the administrator(s) of this forum would not appreciate my doing so, and would, no doubt, zap your entire thread.).

When in undergraduate school, I remember a cut-away Pontiac V8 engine (probably a 389 but could have been earlier) on an engine stand with an AC induction motor belt (chain?) driven to the crankshaft to rotate the engine for display/training purposes when one pushed a button.

The engine had been cut-away such that students could see the moving parts inside the engine and most (all?) wearing parts had been hard chrome plated for display/wear purposes. One can only imagine the cost of such display/training units.

The Pontiac engine was one of several such displays in the lab.

Let me know if you ever stumble across a pre 65 S-O-S display unit, UD.

Dean
 
Nice find! How many of these have you had now? 3? 4?. I'm curious about why you'd swap the tranny and rear end into your 4400. Seems like a lot of work for not much gain. Or am I missing something?
 
Cool.
May I ask what part of the country?
They are a little jewel.
Most of them have been molested to some extent.
But if his is still on the original frame I doubt they ever seperated major componants.
You can tell a lot by looking at what bolts have been wrenched on - paint does not lie.
This one is an oldie, early 1969 by the serial #.
I never knew they made them that early.
The head was off this one. PO said it was stuck but he got it freed up. We'll see.
Pan was off but never the timing cover - means the crank was never out. I'll pull the head back off later and see what's going on there.
3 point top cover probably has been off.
This one has never been split - either at the engine or at the rear end. Again, paint does not lie.
No carb on this one. Clutch is goofy, needs to be adjusted or something but it is new.
PTO still has the cover and never had anything attached. Pump has never been removed.
PTO handle is bent straight and some moron cut 4 of the wheel studs off with a torch.
They were darned good with the torch though - didn't damage the hub at all.
I have some of those studs. Or Kenny does.
I opened the tranny cover. It has been open before.
There is a little rust on the shift rails but nothing serious.
It is still a zero houred piece of equipment. Or the parts are.
I'm going to try to get it off the trailer this morning - nothing to lift it so that will be interesting.


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very nice
those students couldn't be any worse than generations of previous owners doing whatever they had to, to keep them in the fields.

It'd be fun to tear one down to see it 'as in the manual'
rather than the rusted, cobbed mess we usually have to deal with.

BTW, very smart move to immediately start separating it.
BTDT......ya know....throwing an axle on and some tires would sure make it easier to move around.....darn it, my 'parts' tractor just turned into a 'project' tractor. Now, I need another parts tractor...
 
4000s are pretty easy to split though. I'll get this one painted up and the switch likely wont take half a day. I can't afford a New tractor so this is the next best thing.
This is my 4th complete one. Plus I have the tranny/rear from one in my 3000 and had that 201 gas engine from another that I sold.
 
Our tractor club had one donated from the High School. It sat for years until I took the initiative to gather parts wherever I could, as cheap as I could, and then assembled a good mowing tractor. Hardest part was coming up with a rig to mount the front axle radius rods. At first I was worried that it was assembled from reject parts, such as soft heat treat, etc., but it seems not. It's been really appreciated for nearly 15 years now.
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Boy thats a nice score! We had a couple of cars in my auto shop that GM donated. One was a concept car that never went into production. The other was a new Camaro that fell off a train and caved the roof in. I think it was a '73 or so.
 
"those students couldn't be any worse than generations of previous owners doing whatever they had to"

You're pretty naive about what careless students can do to seemingly unforgiving hard iron. Broken piston rings, distorted bearing cages, and missing snap rings in critical areas are just a few of the surprises one is liable to find in a former training aid.

Take it from someone who knows what he's talking about here. I've been working with students for over a dozen years. I can't watch all of them all of the time. If it doesn't belong to them, some of them just don't care.
 
Ultradog,

It came out of scrap yard in south jersey somewhere, he bought it off of auction time. I didn't take real good look at it yet, but the tach has zero hours on it, it was pouring yesterday. It is a latter one with the spin on oil filter. No injection pump either.
 
Reckon I'm going to have to get me a cat. I'm sure a few of those tractors got taken apart. But most school shop classes were swamped with teachers and friends wanting free repairs. I know one of my brothers rebuilt an engine in a AC tractor in shop.
Ron
 
Nice job!
Got any close up photos of the brackets you made to hold the radius rods?
The fellow I bought this from called me about some parts I had on craigslist. He was looking for a front end.
When I reminded him that 4000s didn't have the casting on the tranny to bolt the radius rods to he kind of gave up on it.
So I asked him if he'd sell it to me.
 

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