5000 GroveModel

Having grown up in South Florida I have always wanted one of the old grove tractors to restore. I bought a 1969 5000. The exhaust turns down at the rear of the manifold and exits under the runningboard. There is no hole in the original hood which would indicate that this was factory. The only other one I have seen in all the photos online is also in South Florida. Was this some special feature by Ford for grooves?
 
The horizontal exhaust was an option on any 2/3/4/5000, and if ordered that way from the factory, would have come with no hole in the hood. It was a standard feature of orchard/grove/vineyard models.
 
Horizontal exhaust on a 5000 is certainly not common. Member here 'Texas' has a 5000 SOS with horizontal exhaust. Only one I've ever seen even pictures of.
 
(quoted from post at 13:33:15 09/21/14) Horizontal exhaust on a 5000 is certainly not common. Member here 'Texas' has a 5000 SOS with horizontal exhaust. Only one I've ever seen even pictures of.

And here's a link to a photo of it that I posted in the "Tractor Photos" gallery.

https://photos.yesterdaystractors.com/gallery/tphotos/a34666.jpg
 
I have a 69 5000 SOS that came with horizontal exhaust, only took about an hour of plowing with it before we cut a hole in the hood and converted it to vertical exhaust, the muffler was located under the left running board and would cook your foot.
 
Your tractor.
Your call.
But you probably ruined a rather rare hood.
Even finding a hole-less hood for a 3 cylinder tractor can be a long search and they were far more common.
 
Farmer I worked for as a kid had two 5000's and a 3600 with the exhaust out the back, from the factory. I hated it when trying to hook something up with the smoke in your face. The worst was when I had to top off a silo with the 3600 on the blower - didn't think about it, but the blower was taking all the exhaust and blowing it right up to me in the silo
This was in central NY
Pete
 
Thanks for all the input guys. I am glad to know that I have a legit grove model. I should say also that in keeping with the LCG theme, it also has smaller than stock rims on the back with 18.4 x 26 tires on it. Right now it is in a small pole barn in the woods in the middle of sugar cane country. I went over Saturday and got her to spin over but while I had fuel pressure at the injector pump, nothing out. Instead of messing around I pulled the pump and am having it rebuilt. No rust on body at all except nose is shot. Tires all very good and 7 foot box blade came with it. People who bought the property just want it out of there. I should be able to have it done on a reasonable budget. Will post photos soon.
 
Hello Tom , Sorry but you do not have a legit Grove Model 5000 because Ford NEVER built one , you do have a Ford 5000 INDUSTRIAL with horizontal exhaust option with is almost as rare(most were used for towing purposes and had no three point or pto but ALL had the smaller tires on them) . The only Ford Factory built Grove and Vineyard tractors were built around 3000's and 4000's and Grove tractors with 4 cylinders 4000's back in the 1962-1965 range . Thanks Tony
 
(quoted from post at 18:10:53 09/25/14) Hello Tom , Sorry but you do not have a legit Grove Model 5000 because Ford NEVER built one , you do have a [b:b084a27d0e]Ford 5000 INDUSTRIAL[/b:b084a27d0e] with horizontal exhaust option with is almost as rare(most were used for towing purposes and had no three point or pto but ALL had the smaller tires on them) . The only Ford Factory built Grove and Vineyard tractors were built around 3000's and 4000's and Grove tractors with 4 cylinders 4000's back in the 1962-1965 range . Thanks Tony

Wouldn't a Ford 5000 Industrial be a 5500?
 
Tony,
The orchard I used to work at had a late 5000 (early 70s) that had the rubber described. It also had a short spindle front axle. I don't know if it was designated an orchard/grove model or not. I believe it was an Antwerp tractor as the dealer mechanic always referred to it as a "Belgian Ford". The tractor came painted blue when new, so I suspect it was not an industrial model.
Dave
 
Hey Tony, What is it then? Factory horizontal exhaust, 26 inch rims, PTO and 3 point and 1969 serial number and grille, original paint was blue. I have posted some pictures in the photo section under 5000 grove. It originally was used in the groves here.
 
Tom,
Can you post a picture of the front axle?
Thanks, Dave

A little more history on the one I mentioned.
It came new with 18.4 x 26 rears and 7.50 x 16 fronts. it was equipped with a Sims after market cab. Primary use was pulling a Bean Speed Sprayer in the orchards.
It was traded off, and the next owner removed the cab and installed a loader.
 
Just went through the photos I took, no luck on the front axle. The fronts are 7.50 x 16. I noticed because the right front is new and still had the size molded in in the tread. I will be going back over in a couple of weeks when the injector pump is done and will get more pictures then.
 
Out of curiosity, I went into the NH parts catalog.
They started offering a "short orchard" front axle assembly, for the 5000 & 7000 in July of 1968. I suspect that Tony is correct in saying that Ford never built an orchard/grove tractor. They prolly just offered options to make the 5000's more user friendly for that application. Now, I gotta check on rear wheel options!
Dave
 
Hello Tom , It was designated as an Industrial tractor , sort of a cross between an LCG and an Industrial which is why they are painted blue and not Yellow/Buff colors . The exhaust being just horizontal was just an option just not very popular . Thanks Tony
 
Hello Sean , Yes a 5500 is an Industrial just not based on the 5000 Ag tractor completely different animal not following the trend of the 3500 and 4500 's which I know that is what you are thinking of . The 5000 Industrial is kind of a cross between an LCG and a Light Duty Industrial . Most of them up here in New England that I have seen were Roadside mowing tractors pulling Bat-wing mowers , or pulling small earth scrapers on Construction sites . Thanks Tony
 
Hello Dave , In the Ford Sales Literature it was listed as an Industrial tractor even though it was not painted as such , the tires, wheels , short spindles and blue paint were all correct as I said kind of cross between a Light Duty Industrial and a LCG . I am sure you noticed in the parts book there is no Grove sheet metal listed for it and the tractor you worked with at that orchard had no Grove type sheet metal on it either at least not from the Ford Factory assembly line . Thanks Tony
 
Tony,

Was there a special model designator for this 5000 Industrial? Like 510/E10 was the regular ag chassis 5000 and 520/E20 was the row crop 5200, and 550/E50 was the true 5500 Industrial?

My reference shows E34 for a 5000 Orchard model, but nothing for anything in the '65-'75 5000 series for an industrial other than the 5500 and later 5550 model. The 5500 is listed as 550 and E50 and the 5550 is listed as both E55 and J55
 
Hello Sean , That's what I was looking for last night but nothing . I do not have a 1969 sales manual but I do have 1968 and 1970 manuals and it does NOT list the 5000 as Industrial or Orchard just the smaller tire/wheel combination and Horizontal Exhaust system . The 68 manual does not list any base model numbers but the 70 manual lists base E1024 GAS and E1014 DIESEL models . I don't think 69 would be listed differently but who knows for sure . My local Dealer , now closed had three of those 5000's on his lot during early 90's when I was buying up all of his Elenco trade in's that he sold new back in the early 70's all three had no three point but all had pto's . He was the first one to tell me that they were a cross of LCG / INDUSTRIAL Tractors and were not big sellers but were popular with Municipality's and Local Construction companies mostly for large towing jobs . Thanks Tony
 

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