Ford 860 Clutch?

gford286

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I have a 56' 860 with the live PTO. My clutch all but gone and I need to put a new one some time soon. my question is can I upgrade the clutch to a bigger or a duel disc and still have the 2 stage clutch function for the live PTO.

I do a fair amount of work with it in the summer for raking and tedding hay then she sits most of the winter.

Just wanting some good info on Brand, size, and if there are any clutch upgrades that I could do. I only want to split it once.

And on a side note the PTO lever keeps kicking out while running anything with the PTO. Any suggestions on how to take care of this little annoyance or do I just have to keep going with the bungee cord around the axel? :lol:
 
I don't think there is any other kind of clutch
you can put in a 860 other than the original type
double clutch. be prepared for sticker shock when
you price the clutch pack.

The PTO lever problem I think is a rough bearing
or splines, teeth that are worn. This problem
would not be up in the clutch area.
 

thanks for the info.

I have price some clutches on multiple websites. that's one reason I posted the question cause I have found a dual disc for around 500 and I have also for a single disc for like 200. both say they will work for my set up .

so I would need to go with the dual disc clutch for mine?
 
*6* tractors are 2 stage clutches.. *5* tractors are single stage.

your pto kicking out?

is there thrust play inthe shaft when checked at the shaft stub? if so, it will walk it out of engagement. can be a sloppy beairngs, bad split ring, damaged bearing carrier, slipped seal wear ring.. etc.. longer it doe sthes, the more it chews up and hammer sonthe end splines and coupler till you have to repair it with hard parts vs just a lil pto shaft work
 
Your 860 has a double disc clutch assembly as a self contained unit, bolted to the flywheel by six 5/16 bolts. Unless you change some transmission components that is the way it is going to be. Clutch discs for this assembly are available from hi-capacity. The ground drive disc .is $87 and change. The complete assembly, reconditioned is $383 and change. new is $537 and change.
It would be nice to have a shop manual if you are going to rebuild it your self. A special jig is used to set up the assembly. I have one, in case you would like to borrow it.
You will have to go to an implement dealer to get hy-capacity parts.
 
That"s the problem with the internet. There"s too many folks selling stuff for which they know nothing about and care less. As others state here, there is exactly one style choice for a clutch that fits your tractor.
 
Yes you will have stay with the double disk
clutch. I know you can buy just the clutch
discs but I don't recommend it. It is much
easier to buy the assembly with the plates
installed and ready to use.It takes special
tools to dissemble and replace the clutch
plates.

Back in the old days when 860's were the big
tractor on the farm. Dad changed a lot of them
in his shop. I would help. Back then you had no
choice but to dissemble and replace the clutch
plates. It was a tough job. Dad had to barrow
the tool to line up the plates and use his
hydraulic press to compress the pressure plates
and use his valve spring compressure to install
the keepers that held the springs.

I don't recommend buying the individual plates
and trying to replace them yourself. Much
easier to open the box and take out the fully
assemblied double clutch pack and put it in.

I changed one in a friends 860 last May. I had
more trouble trying to get the release bearing
out than I did installing the clutch.All I had
to do was remove the 6-8 bolts then remove the
double clutch set. Install the new one and
replace the bolts. I also recommend changing
the release bearing and the pilot bearing. Some
of the clutch kits come with the bearings. I
had to buy the bearings as they didn't come
with the clutch. The old clutch is still laying
on the floor.
 
Since I have the jig I am able to "cheat" on the adjustments so the pedal ends up about 5 inches from the floorboard when engaged, and still able to disengage both clutches , instead of "having your knee in your chest" when engaging
 

no need to worry about wearing the standard clutch out unless you have a loader that you use a lot. Tedding and raking don't wear a clutch.
 

Thanks for all of the great info guys. I have been running this tractor for about 15 years and did my first restoration on it a few years ago for one of my collage classes. it didn't turn out as good as I wanted but it ia way better than it was and I have plans to restore it again later with my son.

I split the tractor to put a transmission input seal on it and to my best memory my current clutch did not look like the dual disc the I have seen online.

As far as the play in The out put shaft there is some. I think it is about 1/2 inch if I remember correctly. so for that I need to dig into the pto assembly and check it out.
 
(quoted from post at 15:26:59 09/22/14) That"s the problem with the internet. There"s too many folks selling stuff for which they know nothing about and care less. As others state here, there is exactly one style choice for a clutch that fits your tractor.

I totally agree. Before I posted on here I found 6 different websites and I think 4 different clutches that say the work on my tractor. At the same time it can be very useful you just have to weed through the B.S.
 
(quoted from post at 18:33:27 09/22/14)
no need to worry about wearing the standard clutch out unless you have a loader that you use a lot. Tedding and raking don't wear a clutch.

I am very certain it had a loader on it before I got it. it had the front bracket for a pump, the grill was cut out for a pump, and there are multiple bolt holes on the frame that have the bolt heads broke off. I think it had a rough life before we got it and since I was in High School at the time I didn't cut it any slack either (being young and dumb). it is living its retirement now with no more work than it does.
 

Could somebody have put a HD 9 inch clutch in the past due to the price difference? i think that might be what is in it now. but i cant really remember when i had it apart.
 
Yes, years ago a heavy duty clutch was available. And if that is what it in it now, you will probably have to have the complete clutch assembly.
 
(quoted from post at 04:28:35 09/23/14) Yes, years ago a heavy duty clutch was available. And if that is what it in it now, you will probably have to have the complete clutch assembly.

as far as I can remember when I had it apart that is the clutch I have. it had 3 fingers with adjustment screws on it.

so the clutch that I need to put in is the dual disc(the expensive one) has anybody had any luck with certain brands over other brands I have found a couple different sites with that clutch. I just want a good one that I can put in once and not worry about it.
 
Do you have a two stage clutch? In other words, can you stop the forward motion of the tractor and still have the pto running? If so , is has 6 adjusting fingers. As to the best clutch. Hy-capacity has a very good reputation in this area.
 

Yes. that is one reason I am slightly confused as to which clutch I need. my memory might just be bad.

I guess I will just have to wait till I break it down again to see which one I need to order.
 
(quoted from post at 19:19:49 09/23/14)
Yes. that is one reason I am slightly confused as to which clutch I need. my memory might just be bad.

I guess I will just have to wait till I break it down again to see which one I need to order.

There is no need to wait until you split it. If you truly have an 860 with Live PTO there is only one clutch that fits- the expensive dual stage clutch. It would be impossible to install a single stage clutch in that tractor.
I will second Wayne's recommendation for a HY-Capacity brand clutch. I put one in my 861D several years ago and it still works perfectly.
 

Thanks for the info. I think when I do it I will go with Hy Capacity clutch. seems like a pretty good clutch.
 
I may be looking at the same thing for a 2600. Can the clutch not be rebuilt at a clutch shop? I have one nearby, but won't go that route if it isn't a good option.
 

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