second remote, 4610

bja105

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I am looking at round balers to use with my Ford 4610. I am not opposed to manual tie. I am sure I can wire a switch for electric tie. One baler I found, a Vermeer 605G, looks like it is hydraulic tie. I assume it is, since the picture shows four hoses, and I don't know what else besides the tailgate would be hydraulic.

Anyway, my 4610 has only one rear remote. The parts for the two remote kit at Messicks looked like $2000, not gonna happen. I didn't see any two circuit kits on ebay, and I assume I can't add a second single.

Is there a cheaper way to run a second circuit? Or, should I just limit my baler search to manual and electric tie?
 
a power beyond plate for that tractor is probably about 110$.. then you can add in a cheap SA valve ( 100$ or so ) plus the hoses and connectors needed.. oring kit.. etc. the plate sandwiches under your existing remote.
 
I have always been told that the circuit on my 6610 is closed center load sensing. If the same, a power beyond plate would not work. I would just try to get a second remote from a yard. It will fit right on.
 
That would depend entirely on what remote setup is presently on the tractor... A 4610 could have the cheap open center remotes or it could have CCLS remotes. My observation is that they're more likely to have CCLS remotes... but mabey that's just how the dealer here ordered them.
I'm not going to sit here and say that you couldn't install a power beyond plate under the priority valve pack if it had CCLS remotes... but I would still say it would be more sensible to get a second CCLS remote...

Rod
 
Very, very true. But I'd also speculate that if it has only one remote, it is very likely to be a single pump tractor with an open center valve mounted in front of the seat on the hitch cover. A relatively inexpensive alternative IF this is the case is a solenoid operated splitter valve like a Fasse.
 
Would some pictures help, or is all the good stuff down inside? I won't be near the tractor until Friday night.
 
Good catch by Rick and rod. Post a pic of you current valve setup, xx10 series is starting to get unto a pretty new, old, tractor, right now my dabbling tapers off about 1980 or so with the prev x600 models. Let us know if you have the old front top cover of remotes or the new fangled cc
 
it would tell us which remote pack you have.

as another option, which will work either way. rick mentioned a diverter valve...
 
When you're dealing with a 3 cylinder chassis tractor... I think you can probably use the PB plate in combination with the CCLS remotes and priority pack to the extent that if the tractor only has the single pump then it's not really changing anything in the flow pattern anyhow. All the PB plate does is reroute flow through the plate BEFORE it reaches the priority pack, routes it through whatever hoses you have and assuming you use the correct power beyond type control valve... you then route flow from the PB port on that valve back into the return port on the PB plate... which then places flow back into line where the load sense valve in the priority pack then either unloads that oil to sump or directs it to the CCLS remotes.
So adding that plate is just an unneeded complication on a tractor when simply tee'ing a proper CCLS remote into the existing plumbing is all that is required to provide as many valves as you desire. You can branch tee as many lines as you wish to supply unlimited valves. The only catch is that you MUST use a CCLS (Closed Center Load Sensing) valve AND each branch connection in the load sensing line MUST use a shuttle check tee that has a floating ball to block flow to the opposing work port in the tee.

This is all moot if you do not have CCLS remotes. As Rick already noted, if you have a single pump tractor with one remote it more than likely only has the open center remotes. This valve is found directly under the seat with the valve handle directly on the valve. What I see are mostly dual pump tractors, most of which already had dual remotes... and those remotes are mounted behind the seat and the control handles are mounted to the right of the seat at waist height. Let us know which you have...

Rod
 
I have two 4610 and one 4630 all three have the open center hyd. Tractor spec shows only open center hyd were the only ones available on the 4610 tractor. Look on the left side of the engine where the engine and the bell housing interfaces and see if there is a pump attached with lines routed to the right side of the rear housing. If so it is the closed center system.
 
Whatever specs you are looking at for the 4610's is incomplete. I can show you dozens of 3910's and 4610's with cc remotes.
 
hp567610.. is one of the part numbers also there is an hvxxxx number.. I seem to remember hv4912 but don't remember as its been a while.
 
Do you have a front end loader on your tractor. I tapped 2 lines
out from the loader valve and ran them to the back on my 4600
to operate a wheel disk. Operates thru the joystick.
 
(quoted from post at 00:18:37 09/04/14) Whatever specs you are looking at for the 4610's is incomplete. I can show you dozens of 3910's and 4610's with cc remotes.

Just looked at 60 or so 3910,3930.4610, and 4630. Based on whether they had the extra pump on the left side of the engine I only found three with the extra pump.
 
However they're spec'd is probably a local thing... around here a lot of those tractors were MFWD, had dual pumps, dual remotes (or more), had loaders installed, had syncro transmissions, heavy duty extendable lift arms, etc. If you're in an area where they were spec'd cheap as a 2WD utility tractor, then yeah.. they're probably going to have a single pump and one open center remote and the light duty arms.
Here, 90% were dual pump, dual CCLS remote. And the even more ironic part of that... here, you find NONE of them for sale because they're mostly still in their original homes, still going like hell as daily soldiers... and will for a long time to come yet.

Rod
 
(quoted from post at 09:05:57 09/04/14)
(quoted from post at 00:18:37 09/04/14) Whatever specs you are looking at for the 4610's is incomplete. I can show you dozens of 3910's and 4610's with cc remotes.

Just looked at 60 or so 3910,3930.4610, and 4630. Based on whether they had the extra pump on the left side of the engine I only found three with the extra pump.

There's that many sitting at work right now either in the shop or waiting to come in.
 
There are devices that hook to your existing hydraulic outlets that let you convert your single out lets to double. A handle on the valve lets you chose which line you want to use. I believe they were sold as fosset valves but not sure. Northern tools sells them and the price seems reasonable and the hook up not to difficult.
 
Please let me know if these pictures are what we need, or if I need to take more. Morning light is tricky for an iPad.
 
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You have a single pump 4610 with an open center
remote. You can buy a two spool valve and replace
your valve with it. You can buy a power beyond plate
and power a standalone spool valve with it. You can
buy a splitter valve such as a Fasse and plug it
into your existing remote. I would choose option 1
or 3.
 
(quoted from post at 20:07:02 09/08/14) You have a single pump 4610 with an open center
remote. You can buy a two spool valve and replace
your valve with it. You can buy a power beyond plate
and power a standalone spool valve with it. You can
buy a splitter valve such as a Fasse and plug it
into your existing remote. I would choose option 1
or 3.

Where can I buy these? Ebay, New Holland dealer, farm store? Sorry for the dumb question, hydraulics are new to me.
 
(quoted from post at 16:18:14 09/03/14) Do you have more information on that?

Does it support CCLS or other?

http://www.external_link.com/ford_tractor_hydraulic_adapter_kits_320_ctg.htm
 

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