Ford -New Holland parts prices

J Wendt

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Zumbrota MN
The loader joy stick on my 7635 disintegrated beyond repair. I have no Idea what make that valve is so I had to get it from New Holland. Tammy asked me if I was sitting down, $680 for the darn thing, boy do I feel like I'm getting gouged. We just couldn't find an alternative. Ouch Jim
 
I feel your pain. I try to buy from my local New Holland dealer whenever i can. It's only 6 miles from my house, it's convenient having them there, plus I try to support local business. But most of the time they are way out of line with there prices and I have told them that more than once. 9 times out of ten I end up ordering from this sight or others, it's a lot cheaper even with shipping.
 
One thing I could never be is a NH parts guy. How some of them can quote prices with a straight face is beyond me. More than once I've wanted to say "Dude, this is not April 1st".
 
You can find joysticks at Surplus Center or other hydraulic supply houses. I"d take what you have with you and visit your local hydraulic supplier.
 
Hi you wouldn't want to work for the green guys either then if you think CNH is bad! To be honest now I think they all want guys to buy a new tractor. lots of stuff is NLA or stupid price what ever color it is from a dealer.
Guys say this jobber parts stuff is junk on here all the time, But sometimes its the only option, other than tell the customer he's got to spend $50.000 he don't have, on a used tractor. That's probably no better than his old $5000 one in 8 months. If he's unlucky.
Regards Robert
 
Bern, you of all people should know better than to throw rocks at parts guys about parts pricing. Didn't take you too many years to forget how a dealership works and what the dealer/manufacturer relationship is.

As stated, OEM parts pricing is an industry-wide problem. Dealers can and do offer alternatives when available. There isn't a major aftermarket parts supplier in North America that I don't have an account with. Separating the junk from the value is the challenge.
 
Rick,

It's not the parts guys I have a problem with, it's the NH pricing structure. They are WAY out of line with MANY of their parts. I just paid $10 the other day for a hydraulic pump to engine block mounting gasket for a 4000. Most any other manufacturer would have charged less than a dollar for something similar in size and material. Had this been on a RoadRanger transmission for a class 8 truck, it would have been 50 cents or less.

There's a reason NH has low market share and dwindling: obscene pricing. Again, the parts guys have almost no control over that, I understand. But when Deere can sell identical parts over the counter for substantially less than NH dealer cost (ZF axle parts for example), there is a serious issue there that should be addressed for the long-term viability of the company.

I'm simply saying I could not be a NH parts guy and be able to live with myself after what I see some stuff being charged for. You're right, I have been away from the NH dealer now for about 13 years, but during that time, I've bought a lot of Deere as well as class 8 truck parts. Overall, prices there are WAY more realistic.
 
You are both right, NH is equivalent to a convenience store, if your not willing to google just a little, or drive to the grocery, you get to pay "extry".
 
Over on New Ag talk there is a legitimate parts pricing rant at least once a week where every major manufacturer is called out in turn. And those guys aren't talking about $10 gaskets, either.
 
Specifically, I'd bet that ZF is a current supplier to Deere, while ZF is a FORMER supplier to CNH. When a manufacturer becomes a FORMER supplier to CNH, the parts pricing structure increases dramatically, I see that time and again. Must have been some nasty divorces, and some of the ill will that seeems to prevail is likely to be of CNH's doing.
 
I was buying ZF axle parts from Deere 25-30 years ago back when FNH was still in bed with them. The disparity between prices was awful even back then.

When I can buy a gear for a RoadRanger transmission for $150, and have to pay over a grand for a gear of similar size and machine work for a FNH machine (if I can even get it), it really stings, and makes me not want to buy a NH product. This is not just a ZF parts price issue.
 
I wasn't pretending to blame ZF, just using that manufacturer as an example. How many of those Fuller gears do you suppose get cut every year? You can drink all the Deere Kool-Aid you want, OEM AG equipment parts pricing is an industry wide problem, and you can think what you want to the contrary. You follow NAT just like I do, it's pretty apparent if you pay any attention at all.
 
I've purchased many Deere parts over the years as well, and it has been my overall conclusion, drawn from many years of experience, that Deere is way more reasonable on the majority of their parts compared to NH. Just in the past month, I've purchased several thousand dollars worth of parts from both Deere and NH, so my perspective is current.

You're right of course about Fuller parts and economy of scale, but it should not be 5 to 1 or more difference.

Yes, the NAT guys like to complain about Deere parts prices, but I believe that's because the majority of them don't buy CNH parts at all, so they don't have a proper comparison perspective. Most of those NAT guys are 100% Deere, right down to their underwear.
 
I work as a tech at a New Holland dealer. I know what you mean about the pricing. Our parts manager has more then once sent a complaint about a price and a lot of times price will get lowered more times than not. I always felt that if you are getting repair parts for a motorcycle or atv it's hang on to your wallet.
 
That's pretty telling if NH more often than not adjusts the prices after a complaint from your parts manager. It supports my theory that most of their prices are way out of line.
 
This is an interesting discussion... particularly to me because right now I'm online looking for parts for an ZF APL345 hub that went crunch yesterday. When I take the NH numbers and run them through the sparex converter... and get the OEM Deere equivelant numbers... and then price the respective gears from both Messicks online and my own local Deere account... the Deere numbers are coming out about 40% higher than Messicks. Now granted there is a dollar exchange involved there that generally hits about 20% between Messicks and my local NH dealers... that still doesn't account for the other 20% for the same exact part. Now mabey Messicks are subbing a Sparex part for an OEM part to get a cheaper price. I don't know... but on the surface, Deere is a lot more money. In some instances I would agree with you... Deere can be a good deal cheaper... but not this time. I do find that Deere is very competitive on ag bearings and things like that... and a lot of other odd body components to machines that one might thing would be expensive... are not.. but there are lots of things that are just plain asinine.

Rod
 
Kubota is the same way.
Replacing the axel pin in my little Kubota, dealer, Messeciks and others asking $172.75 for it, other sources $20.

Also their parts diagrams are copies of copies of copies that are a real challenge to read.
 
When Messicks supplies an aftermarket part, that fact is specified in their listing. Selling aftermarket parts under OEM vendor codes and part numbers is fraud, and reputable dealers will avoid that.
 
Usually what I hear is that it is a captive part and without an aftermarket comparable to compete against, the price is valid. I'm probably about 5:1 against price reductions and when I do get one it goes from stupid to unrealistic. but again, it's not materially different from AGCO or Deere.
 
I'm out of town right now, but when I get back, I'm going to do some more research on this. The last time I bought a hub seal for an APL 345 hub, Deere was $20 and NH was over 100.
 
Deere has an A&I seal for 20 bucks and another for 70 bucks... so I kind of think the cheap one is the lip seal I'd like to have. The other is obviously the cassette seal... I have both coming so we shall see. NH, here... I think was 180 or so for the cassette.
As it stands right now I have a ring coming from A&I, planets from Sparex and all remaining incidentals from CNH as the aftermarket doesn't carry them. This particular hub doesn't cross completely with Deere models so coverage is spotty...
For what it's worth after I got Canadian dealer pricing on what items were available from both Deere and CNH in their main line parts systems... prices were about equally astronomical. ~550 bucks for each planet and over 1400 for the ring (which was priced in the system but not showing stock) so A&I is the only source for that ring. That kind of makes me sick...
I did find a US source online... Reliable tractor or something with VERY attractive pricing... but 2 week lead on availability.

Rod
 

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