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Pie Weights - Part 2

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Tom Bond

04-02-2014 19:31:25

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I found a set of heavy weights that will protrude out more then the standard weights. They appear more squared off on the outer edge as opposed to the standard weights. Does anyone know if these weights can be used on a row crop 4000 like I have or will that even make a difference? 28" rims. I believe I read somewhere here that the row crops should only take the lighter weights. Not sure why that would be but thought I'd ask before I commit to buying the heavy set. Thanks!

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04-03-2014 09:43:49

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to Tom Bond, 04-02-2014 19:31:25  
Hello Tom , Ford only listed the Light Duty 30 lb pie weights for the Row Crops because of the weakness of the rear end assembly not because of the PA rims and most manure loaders only lift about 1000 lbs because of the front axle which also very weak . These are only AG tractors they are not designed to weighted very heavy nor were there any heavy loaders made for them , that's why Ford built Industrial tractors for big loaders and heavy rear axles designed to carry lots of weight . I do not understand why these questions keep coming up , it says right in the OWNERS MANUAL not to use the heavy wheel weights and as you said you believe you read it , Do you think Ford set these standards just to fill a book ? Just like when Ford says a particular loader needs 3000 , 4000 , or 5000 lbs of counterweight on the back of a tractor to make it work effectively for LIFTING and TRACTION yet guys will post over and over that their tractor does work well when using the loader but then say they have no weight on the back because they don't want to be bothered by loading the rear tires or to have a block on concrete on the three point hitch . There is plenty of Owners Manuals out there especially for Ford and for just about every implement Ford ever made wether it is original or a reprint and Ford ALWAYS said what to use or not to use . Thanks Tony

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Tom Bond

04-03-2014 15:11:28

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to TONY JACOBS, 04-03-2014 09:43:49  
Tony, Just mainly looking to add the weight for traction for the back blade and snow. If anything, it might see a bush hog on it someday for some mowing on the food plots.

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04-02-2014 20:55:33

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to Tom Bond, 04-02-2014 19:31:25  
Most likely but there are several versions of later "industrial style" pie weights.

The interference occuring with some weights has nothing to do with utility/row crop tractors but rather with the Ford early PA rims.

Early, heavy AG style pie weights will interfere with the rails on PA rims, whether used on utility or row crop tractors, if the rims are not adjusted mostly inward.

Most (all?) later "industrial style" segments do not interfere.


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04-02-2014 22:14:27

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to Dean, 04-02-2014 20:55:33  
Hello Dean , There is no Industrial style wheel weights the difference is just in the Foundary's who cast them . East Coast , Central states and West Coast Foundary's all had minor differences in molds all made 45 and or 30 pound sets . Ford also does not list weights seperately for the Industrials EXCEPT the 600 pound cast wheel centers for the 1801's in 1958-1960 with 28" wheels which are similar to the 24" wheels centers Norm43 has posted pictures of which I can't find any listings in the parts books for them . Thanks Tony

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04-03-2014 12:06:27

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to TONY JACOBS, 04-02-2014 22:14:27  
Well aware of that.

I use the term "industrial style," as do others, to differentiate from the earlier, more rounded, so-called "AG style" weights. Hence the quote marks in this post and that above.


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04-03-2014 20:59:21

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to Dean, 04-03-2014 12:06:27  
Hello Dean , The Industrial Style as you call it is a Central States and West Coast Foundary weight , those were NEVER SOLD out here on the East Coast . The earlier more rounded weight as you call it is just an East Coast Foundary produced weight . All 28" East Coast Heavy Duty and Light Duty weights looked like that from beginning of production to end of production and ALL East Coast weights will be marked with a W-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,or 0 number , the only minor difference is in the cutout segment for the valve stem . On earlier weights the cutout only goes halfway across the segment and when they are on the tractor you can't see which one is the cutout segment you also have to remove it inflate the tire . The later weights the segment is cutout all the way across and when installed you can see the cutout segment . Thanks Tony

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04-03-2014 05:41:26

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to TONY JACOBS, 04-02-2014 22:14:27  
Tony- Back in the early 60s I worked at a Ford dealership. We sold wheel weight that were considered the heavy set(1200lb) for the power adjusted wheels. The PA wheels could be moved without moving any weights. Don't these same weights fit the ford 24" wheels? .Buy the way, I have a complete set of these weights I would sell.

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04-03-2014 09:20:08

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to WayneIA, 04-03-2014 05:41:26  
Hello Wayne , Yes Central States and West Coast pie section wheel weights for 24" wheels will fit 28" Power Adjust wheels but East Coast pie section 24" wheel weights will not fit PA rims , as I said it's just in the Foundary differences . The only point I was making to Dean is that there is no separate Industrial pie section wheel weights just heavy duty or light duty . The stackable plate weights like Kirk has shown will also fit but you can only adjust in 100 lb plates which is just more of a P.I.A. than the pie sections . Thanks Tony

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04-03-2014 11:30:16

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to TONY JACOBS, 04-03-2014 09:20:08  
How does one tell which of the three foundry's they were made? Thanks

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04-03-2014 21:11:52

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to WayneIA, 04-03-2014 11:30:16  
Hello Wayne , I know all East Coast Foundary weights are marked both plates and segments , with W-1, W-2, W-3, W-4, W-5, right up to W-0 . Heavy Duty mounting plates are thicker, heavier and ribbed on the inside quite different than light duty mounting plates and some light duty mounting plates only have four mounting holes rather than the more common eight hole ones . I have had some Central and West Coast weights but not enough to know if they are all marked or not , all of the ones I have had have not been marked . There is also many weights made on the West Coast that were sold threw the dealers out there and not made or sold anywhere else just like that 200 pound bumper weight that some one posted pictures of a month or so ago . Thanks Tony

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Ultradog MN

04-04-2014 06:18:25

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to TONY JACOBS, 04-03-2014 21:11:52  
Hi Tony,
Here are a couple of photos of the centers that show the thickness of them and the ribbing you mention.
I assume this heavy one is for the 24" weights as the curvature does not fit on a standard 28" center properly. It bottoms out against the center before it bottoms against the stud nuts.
I bought a pair of heavy 28" weights a few years ago that had these mis matched plates.
I got a pair of the correct ones from Jim UT in a trade.
I still have these mis matched ones here if anyone ever needed one or both of them.

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04-05-2014 06:38:06

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to Ultradog MN, 04-04-2014 06:18:25  
Hello Jerry , Thanks for posting some pictures , that's what I am talking about and those plates are different than some of the East Coast mounting plates . This is why wheel weights can be such a P.I.A. if you do get complete sets especially if they did come from your particular area to begin with . We could post tons of pictures and probably not cover all of the differences between the Foundarys . Thanks Tony

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04-03-2014 06:48:05

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 Re: Pie Weights - Part 2 in reply to WayneIA, 04-03-2014 05:41:26  

These weights work well with the PA rims and fit the 24" rims.


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