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841S Update - She Ran Then Quit

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radara4077

03-29-2014 19:06:26
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Today has been a long day. Per advice I got on here, we poured some ATF down the plug holes a few days ago. Let it soak. Today was the day to try to start it (first time in three years)...

Took out the old plugs, jacked up the rear end, put it in 4-over, and eased the rear wheel forward. The motor turned easy (I was surprised at how easy). Checked all four plug holes--good compression. Took off the glass bell in the gas line, ran some new gas through the line and into a bucket to clear it out (tank was empty...more on that later), put the bell back on, and put some gas in the tank. Filled the radiator. Put my new plugs on, turned the key for the first time...no spark. Ran out and got a new set of points, a new rotor, and a new condenser (thanks to this site, I was able to give the CarQuest guy accurate parts numbers). Put the points in and voila! Good spark.

Here's a link to the video I took of the first time we tried to start it after putting the new points on and putting a bit of gas down the plug holes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwiHJc_2knU

(sorry for the bad angle...I was holding the camera and turning the key)

I think it was running on its own, even if for a brief time. We killed it when we noticed that scraping noise. After the video ended, we fixed the fan cover issue, and tried starting it again, but--

It never fired after that, even after we put new gas down the plug holes. Does anyone know what could have caused it to fire right up (virtually) that first time, but then it wouldn't start again after that?

Then we spent close to an hour trying to get the gas tank off because it was leaking pretty bad (where the fuel line connects into the tank). You can't see it very well, but there's a rubber segment in the fuel line (you can see it in the bottom left of the picture)



I think that's a patch or repair, but dad thinks it may be factory. Either way, doesn't seem to be leaking around it. If I wind up needing to replace the fuel line, do I need to be sure that rubber elbow-like piece is in it?

Here's a close-up of the manifold (muffler fell right off this side)



It looks like the piece that's sitting on the manifold in the pic has broken off the bracket. Should there be a "lip" on the manifold that I'm missing?

Also, found this in my gas tank:



Anyone lose a screw driver?

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radara4077

03-30-2014 19:35:46
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 19:06:26  
After the video was taken, and after a few seconds of unsuccessful starting attempts, there was gas running out of the air intake side of the carb.



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showcrop

03-30-2014 19:30:46
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 19:06:26  
I never saw any gas running out of the carb. If they are getting gas and don't fire up quickly there will be a little gas running out of the carburetor. Looks like you need to investigate where the gas is not getting through.



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radara4077

03-30-2014 18:57:37
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 19:06:26  
Thank you all for the advice!

Regarding squirting gas in the carb: There was plenty of gas making it to the carb. And I'm wary of spraying ether in there...I've heard horror stories of engines becoming dependent on ether.

Been thinking about what happened yesterday. Could I have inadvertently flooded it?



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soundguy

04-01-2014 07:18:49
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-30-2014 18:57:37  
on a gasser.. ether is ( can be if done correctly ) a safe test.

I don't like it on oil burners though..



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radara4077

03-29-2014 20:14:43
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 19:06:26  
Try the video now...



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Royse

03-29-2014 20:31:46
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 20:14:43  
Yes sir, video works now.
I would agree, started right up.
I'd still clean the plugs and make sure its still got spark. If so, try squirting a little gas or ether in the carb while cranking.
You're almost there! Audio/Video clip:You re Video

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Royse

03-29-2014 20:11:42
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 19:06:26  
When I try to get to the video, it tells me it is private.

That's not the factory fuel line as Texas! said.

Pouring gas directly into the cylinders may have fouled your new plugs.

They are meant to ignite an air/fuel mixture, not wet gas.

I would take them out, dry them with a propane torch and check

for spark again before trying to start it up.

Your exhaust elbow is broken, they sell them here on YT.

They bolt on with two bolts there on top of the manifold.

As rusty and horrible as they might look, mine broke right off

and came out easily so I could replace them.
Hopefully you have the same good luck!

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Texas!

03-29-2014 19:48:27
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 Re: 841S Update - She Ran Then Quit in reply to radara4077, 03-29-2014 19:06:26  
Did you check for spark when you tied to start it the second time? Maybe the points adjusting screw was loose and the points closed up?

That is not the factory fuel line.

Your exhaust elbow is broken. You will need to weld it back together or get a new one.



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