Ford 861 powermaster

jeffkoh

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Hi everyone, I'm going to look at a 861 powermaster next week with a gas engine. I looked up some info on tractor data that says the 172ci gas engine is 62hp but I have seen other 861 for sale in the 40hp range. Does the hp range from year to year? The seller is taking some more pictures and getting the serial number for me so I can look it up. I have owned all the n series tractors but never a hundred series, anything I should keep an eye out for? Thanks guys.
 
HP is measured many different ways. Engine HP, Belt HP, drawbar HP.
Even TractorData, which has been known to be wrong, shows
62 engine and 40 at the belt.
Any variance between the four years they built the 861 would be
negligible, assuming you are comparing apples to apples. i.e. 172 gas.
Diesel would be different, an earlier 172 could be too.

Edit, you'll love the live hydraulics and live PTO if you use it much.
A lot more tractor than the N series too.
The shifter takes some getting used to, but is nice once you get it.
Make sure it doesn't pop out of 3rd gear. That and reverse are
used more than the other gears on most 5 speeds.
 
The 62 HP rating is gross flywheel HP.

PTO HP at 2100 RPM rated speed is approximately 45, depending upon transmission.

Dean
 

Check operation of the 2 stage clutch, make sure it works as supposed to. There are two settings at the clutch pivot arm, the pin needs to be in the inner hole (pedal high) to get the 2 stage effect.

Look for excessive oil drippings around the breather/filler tube at the front of the engine. Could be an indicator of excessive blowby.

Check to see how the 3point works in position control. Do the arms move in correlation to the touch control? If not could be worn cam and follower pin.

If rest-o-ride seat is still on, check operation. Good or flat? If no suspension left in seat new new torsion springs (rubber) are $100.

Oil pressure should be strong ~20+ at idle hot. Less could be bad gauge or bearings. Higher rpm should be well over 40.

Other than that should be normal stuff to look for. I have one and they are darn good tractors. Way more power than the N and still pretty nimble. I really like the live hydros and live PTO for mowing.

Good luck!
 
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Hi everyone, I'm going to look at a 861 powermaster next week with a gas engine. I looked up some info on tractor data that says the 172ci gas engine is 62hp but I have seen other 861 for sale in the 40hp range. Does the hp range from year to year? The seller is taking some more pictures and getting the serial number for me so I can look it up. I have owned all the n series tractors but never a hundred series, anything I should keep an eye out for? Thanks guys.
62 HP is brake HP which might be called engine HP, gross HP or raw HP. Below is a chart from the Ford Service Manual Engine Specifications. Notice the note at the bottom, "Less air cleaner, fan, and muffler". If you'd like the see the various practical HPs (belt, drawbar, PTO) look up the Nebraska test for the closest similar model that they tested.

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Hi everyone, I'm going to look at a 861 powermaster next week with a gas engine. I looked up some info on tractor data that says the 172ci gas engine is 62hp but I have seen other 861 for sale in the 40hp range. Does the hp range from year to year? The seller is taking some more pictures and getting the serial number for me so I can look it up. I have owned all the n series tractors but never a hundred series, anything I should keep an eye out for? Thanks guys.
The FORD 801 Series is about a 40 HP engine, maybe slightly more at the drawbar which is what you want to go by. Don't worry about any serial number; it only gives you bragging rights as to what year the engine was built. Specs didn't vary year to year - all are the same, BUT, there are differences between the 800 and 801 Series. The '01 Series eliminated the AMMETER and instead installed a "CHARGE" idiot lamp on the dash. '01 Series also now had Power Steering as standard feature. The '00 and '01 Series Models are great workhorses and I'd buy in a heartbeat providing condition is satisfactory. Meaning engine not blown or in need of rebuild, electrical correct, fuel OK, sheet metal and rubber OK. Whichever model you get, I advise to invest in the ESSENTIAL MANUALS and read religiously. You need a copy of the OEM 601 & 801 Owner/Operators Manual; a copy of the '53-'59 MPC; and a copy of the I&T F0-20 Service Manual if'N ya wanna be a FORD TRACTOR Owner.

Tim Daley (MI)
 

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62 HP is brake HP which might be called engine HP, gross HP or raw HP. Below is a chart from the Ford Service Manual Engine Specifications. Notice the note at the bottom, "Less air cleaner, fan, and muffler". If you'd like the see the various practical HPs (belt, drawbar, PTO) look up the Nebraska test for the closest similar model that they tested.

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Is there any info like this available for the Industrial 192 engine?
 
The FORD 801 Series is about a 40 HP engine, maybe slightly more at the drawbar which is what you want to go by. Don't worry about any serial number; it only gives you bragging rights as to what year the engine was built. Specs didn't vary year to year - all are the same, BUT, there are differences between the 800 and 801 Series. The '01 Series eliminated the AMMETER and instead installed a "CHARGE" idiot lamp on the dash. '01 Series also now had Power Steering as standard feature. The '00 and '01 Series Models are great workhorses and I'd buy in a heartbeat providing condition is satisfactory. Meaning engine not blown or in need of rebuild, electrical correct, fuel OK, sheet metal and rubber OK. Whichever model you get, I advise to invest in the ESSENTIAL MANUALS and read religiously. You need a copy of the OEM 601 & 801 Owner/Operators Manual; a copy of the '53-'59 MPC; and a copy of the I&T F0-20 Service Manual if'N ya wanna be a FORD TRACTOR Owner.

Tim Daley (MI)
That 40 hp is the PTO rating, and the drawbar rating is a bit higher. The engine was closer to 60 hp..
 

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